Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 news item for review: Radiant upgrade

[Dan Meltzer]

On Sunday 06 May 2007 4:38:16 pm Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sun, 06 May 2007 22:33:55 +0200
>
> Jakub Moc <jakub@g.o> wrote:
> > Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a):
> > > On Sun, 6 May 2007 16:00:56 -0400
> > >
> > > Dan Meltzer <hydrogen@×××××××××××××××××.com> wrote:
> > >>> Er, making elog logged by default would not solve the "requires an
> > >>> explicit read" problem. Making elog require an explicit read would
> > >>> be far too annoying because most elog notices are noise. We've
> > >>> been over this already.
> > >>
> > >> Not if one filters it properly.  ELOG_CLASSES="warn error" sounds
> > >> like a sane default to me.
> > >
> > > So you want users to have to explicitly acknowledge all ewarn
> > > notices? Now *that*'s a way of making the system useless by
> > > overusing it.
> >
> > Why would you acknowledge them? They are a different feature (plus,
> > seriously no mail gets automagically marked as read, if you use the
> > mail elog feature e.g. Maybe you should actually try to use the stuff
> > before recycling your 'our experience shows' and 'elog sucks'
> > scratched record once again.)
>
> Maybe you should reread the context I've quoted. Dan is proposing
> making elog require explicit acknowledgements.

Thats news to me.  I was proposing using elog where it was logical, you were 
the one who appended the "explicitly aknowledged" to it.
>
> > Plus, why's this thread been hijacked again for the paludis upgrade
> > stuff that doesn't need any news at all and that's been committed in
> > breach of GLEP42 itself?!
>
> Because some people won't stop looking for any available excuse to rant
> about anything that has or can be made to have 'paludis' in it, and
> they don't bother to read the rest of the discussion before they do so.
>
> > - drop this "users like it" and "experience has shown" stuff.
> > Experience based on 4 news items is no experience at all; experience
> > based on one-package overlay is irrelevant wrt a repository with
> > thousands of ebuilds; and "users like it" may be nice for one package
> > overlay, and a genuine PITA for a tree with thousands of ebuilds at
> > the same time. Repeating it doesn't go anywhere, nor will it make any
> > of your point more valid.
>
> And yet it's infinitely more experience than anyone else has at this
> point. When there's a better collection of data available we'll use
> that instead.


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