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Kurt Lieber wrote: |
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> On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 07:57:06PM -0800 or thereabouts, Greg KH wrote: |
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>>>Which is why Gentoo has jumped the shark and is now on a long, slow |
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>>>decline. |
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>>Ok, then what should Gentoo do to fix this percieved decline? |
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> Exactly what a lot of folks will have kittens about; appoint a CEO, leader, |
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> boss, manager, etc. (you know, all those corporate-type words that raise |
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> the hackles of nearly everyone on this list.) |
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> Right now, Gentoo is this gigantic, obese amoeba that just sort of sits in |
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> one place. Different parts of it try to go in different directions, with |
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> the net result being that the whole body never goes anywhere. We haven't |
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> done anything interesting or innovative over the last...year? two years? |
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> We have no effective leadership whatsoever. We spend far too much time |
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> arguing amongst ourselves instead of working as a team towards a common |
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> goal. |
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I think some people have attempted things that are interesting or |
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innovative, although they may not have gotten off of the ground quite |
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yet. I think for instance, that Stuart's webapp-config project is a |
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good idea, and while I also think his first attempt sucked, that perhaps |
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in the future it could be a great tool, especially for large virtual |
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host places. I think it sucks that he has gotten the flack from it here. |
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The Gentoo Installer is an interesting project, not only for the |
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graphical frontend, but for the Distro-sponsored Network installer that |
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is being worked on. I think many distributions lack tools in this area |
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and we can be interesting and helpful here. |
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The Portage project has some cool stuff coming up. I realize that the |
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2.X codebase scares a lot of people away due to it's nature but recently |
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there has been a lot more active development in features and planning. |
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Plus there is code in the savior branch to do some "interesting" things :) |
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> <snip> |
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> adhere to the decisions and, if they don't, invite them to find other |
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> opportunities for their creative outlet. |
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This sounds to me like "if they don't like it then send them on their |
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merry way" which is kind of a bad attitude IMHO. If they are working |
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on something it usually is because they are interested. You can't |
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really say "well your interest is useless so work on something else |
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instead" and expect them to comply. If they are either going to work on |
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something they enjoy and contribute to Gentoo or do nothing at |
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all...well I'll take the former :) |
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> That person should figure out what Gentoo wants to be when it grows up. |
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> S/he should carefully consult the various stakeholders, look at the |
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> strengths/weaknesses of Gentoo as it stands currently and then figure out |
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> where the best direction is for it to proceed. They should then be |
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> responsible for making sure everyone (and I mean *everyone*) executes |
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> according to this direction. Folks who disagree with the vision will be |
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> able to go their own direction and start their own projects. That's the |
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> beauty of the GPL. |
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If this Gentoo project fails/falters (like you seem to think it is |
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heading) you are free to do the same, form your own project with it's |
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own set of rules and leader if you so choose. |
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> Anyway, I have no illusions of this idea ever being implemented in the |
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> current Gentoo environment. /shrug. It was a good ride. |
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> --kurt |
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I would agree overall that inter-project communication is lacking in |
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many areas. I also think that people are uncompromising. Everyone is |
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over-worked, everyone has no time, if you want thing X done, get |
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cracking...etc... I don't think that is an especially healthy attitude |
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to getting larger/cooler things accomplished. If there is an entity |
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that can help "persuade" projects to listen to one another that would be |
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great, but in the end what can you really do? |
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Partially I ( as currently still a user at this point ) would like to |
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see a bit more project management. I see that webapps posted a monthly |
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meeting reminder to -dev, but how many projects really have meetings |
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that often? Do they accomplish anything? Should we have someone that |
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tries to attend most meetings to make sure things are going smoothly, or |
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going at all? Do we need to have slacking projects that get killed off |
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by the council as well as "slacker" council members? |
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More things to consider ;) |
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Alec Warner (antarus) |
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