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Torsten Veller <tove@g.o> posted |
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20070715132018.TA94041.tv@××××××.net, excerpted below, on Sun, 15 Jul |
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2007 13:40:29 +0200: |
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> * Tiziano Müller <dev-zero@g.o>: |
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>> Torsten Veller schrieb: |
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>> > Let me please point out that no infrastructure team member is on the |
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>> > list right now. |
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>> > |
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>> > As infra is often involved in implementing council decisions we |
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>> > should take care that the information flows. IMHO the easiest way to |
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>> > achieve this is electing an infra member to the council. |
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>> In the contrary. We should see that not too much power/responsibility |
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>> is concentrated on a single person. |
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>> Since... |
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>> a) This guarantees that the council comes to a decision which is not |
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>> influenced by the (direct and already known) interest of it's members |
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>> and |
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>> b) Reduces the risk for Gentoo when someone with more than one key |
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>> position leaves |
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> If devs in a key position leave, it's often a problem. But I don't see a |
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> concentration problem here. |
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The problem in practice is this: As Chris G. I believe it was pointed |
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out, being a Council member is "hella" stressful. (From memory so the |
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numbers are fuzzy, ask Chris.) Of the this term's seven elected council |
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members, two ended up retiring from Gentoo entirely, while others almost |
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did and/or resigned from their council position. Few of the remaining |
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ones are interested in ever running for the position again. |
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So serious as a heart attack, there is a real problem. Unfortunately, as |
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currently structured, the stress on council is great enough that people |
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/do/ leave in the middle of their term, so it's best to consider that a |
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real likelihood when thinking about nominations and votes for council. |
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I respect Chris G a lot, but it's very obvious the stress has affected |
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how he deals with Gentoo as well, and he's stated no way is he interested |
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in the position again. I think everybody nominated even more than those |
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voting would do well to pay serious attention to what he says on the |
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subject, because how they handle their duties as council members has a |
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very real likelihood of permanently affecting their relationship with |
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Gentoo. |
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I know if I were a dev and nominated, I'd be seriously contemplating |
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whether it were worth doing, in the light of how dramatically it |
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negatively affected the Gentoo life of last years elected council. |
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There's no escaping the reality, however one might wish to pretend it |
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won't affect them. I'd be asking myself if the council position was |
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worth possibly getting so burnt out and fed up with Gentoo that I quit. |
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Some might believe in what they want to do enough to find it worth it, |
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while others believe in their ability to handle the situation |
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regardless. More power to them. |
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I do hope that those that accept the nomination and are ultimately |
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elected are ready for it, because it really hurts to lose good people, |
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and by definition, anyone well respected enough to win an elected seat on |
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the council is a "good" person in terms of their contribution to Gentoo, |
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or they'd not be winning that seat. Losing anyone that well respected by |
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their peers is GOING to hurt, so I really do hope the folks that are |
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running are prepared for what they are getting themselves into, and we |
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/don't/ lose anyone due to council duties this coming year. |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |
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