[gentoo-dev] Re: Public Relations, was: Re: [gentoo-core] proposal: make gentoo-core publicly read-only

[Paul]

Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@g.o>, on Sun Jun 29, 2003 [03:12:45 PM] said:
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> On Sunday 29 June 2003 00:40, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 20:35, Cyrik wrote:
> > > > I am guessing you consult your children in all decisions you make
> > > > regarding them (if you have any)?  Or if you are a manager, do you
> > > > consult with your workers in decisions you make ?
> > >
> > > nope but i tell them why i decided like i did and they know of every
> > > decision...
> >
> > Yes, but the point is, they are not present when you talk to
> > your partner about what to do, and you surely do not tape it
> > so that they can play it back later.
>
> And you certainly don't involve them into the actual decision on what to buy
> them for their Birthday.
>
> Paul
>

	Hi;

	Hmm. I find this paternalism vaguely insulting, and I
dont even feel strongly one way or another about the -core
list.
	Ever since Ive been reading this list, Ive seen this as a
perenial point of contention. I think that this is a touchy issue
because some people _do_ feel there is lack of transparancy, and
a wall between developers and users. I know this feeling because
I have been conditioned to not submit ebuilds anymore, after
having submitted them regularly for some time; (I touch upon this
in bug 6808) I still hope to continue contributing bugs,
preferably with patches. (although I often have better luck just
pushing them upstream.) This is ok for me, since writing ebuilds
is trivial, and I have my local stuff. But it might not be good
for others. (or perhaps it is;)
	Instead of tortured analogies, just say it the way it
is; "we want core closed, and if you dont like it, you are free
to choose another distribution, or fork..."
	Gentoo is a great thing, and this is reflected in its
phenomenal growth. I hope that it is able to regroup from its
difficulties. I see, however, a disconcerting tendancy to sweep
away discontent with rhetoric, and the promise of future
bounty...
	There is a certain amount of FUD associated with Gentoos
recent fork, and issues regarding its incorporation, and internal
organisation. (Ive seen it on my local LUG list-- people saying
'Ive heard this and that and this; maybe youd better think twice
before commiting to Gentoo...')  That is to say, these feelings
and doubts are very real, and I hope that even though core
members find them baseless, that they find a way to communicate
that without seeming so condescending.

Paul
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