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On 02/10/2016 05:15 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: |
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> On 10/02/16 12:09 PM, Brian Dolbec wrote: |
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>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:26:12 -0600 William Hubbs |
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>> <williamh@g.o> wrote: |
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>>>> Often the decision to procrastinate is a decision that is |
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>>>> rewarded. That should be considered carefully. |
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>>> + 10000. |
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>>> I also saw another issue that made me shudder. If we change the |
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>>> default to eudev, people who are running separate /usr are |
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>>> going to think they can kill their initramfs's, because people |
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>>> in gentoo conflated the separate /usr and initramfs issue with |
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>>> udev [1]. |
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>>> William |
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>>> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573760#C4 |
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>> That isn't a worthwhile reason to procrastinate. IMO we're going |
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>> to get those _ANYWAY_ no matter how long we wait, within reason |
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>> of course. |
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>> There will always be users that can't read/type/whatever and |
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>> fail and file bugs. |
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>> So if we have to wait for one (or more) users to forget about the |
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>> initramfs crud & confusion, we'll be waiting 20 years. By then |
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>> even systemd will have been replaced by something else... |
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> Yeah I second this -- it was decided officially by council (what, |
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> 2 years ago now?) that separate-/usr-without-initramfs doesn't need |
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> to be officially supported anymore, and so if things break that it |
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> is up to end-users to ensure they pick up the pieces. |
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> Although it is likely that eudev *will* keep installation onto / |
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> and out of /usr to help with this not-officially-supported |
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> situation in Gentoo, that doesn't mean the other projects have to |
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> stay out of /usr, and "it worked before the upgrade but doesn't |
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> now" certainly doesn't mean it's a valid bug. If a user or |
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> sysadmin drops their initramfs when they have a separate-/usr |
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> system, any resulting breakage is on them. |
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