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On 10/02/16 12:09 PM, Brian Dolbec wrote: |
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> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:26:12 -0600 William Hubbs |
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> <williamh@g.o> wrote: |
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>>> Often the decision to procrastinate is a decision that is |
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>>> rewarded. That should be considered carefully. |
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>> + 10000. |
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>> I also saw another issue that made me shudder. If we change |
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>> the default to eudev, people who are running separate /usr are |
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>> going to think they can kill their initramfs's, because people |
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>> in gentoo conflated the separate /usr and initramfs issue with |
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>> udev [1]. |
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>> William |
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>> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573760#C4 |
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> That isn't a worthwhile reason to procrastinate. IMO we're going |
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> to get those _ANYWAY_ no matter how long we wait, within reason |
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> of course. |
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> There will always be users that can't read/type/whatever and fail |
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> and file bugs. |
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> So if we have to wait for one (or more) users to forget about |
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> the initramfs crud & confusion, we'll be waiting 20 years. By |
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> then even systemd will have been replaced by something else... |
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Yeah I second this -- it was decided officially by council (what, 2 |
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years ago now?) that separate-/usr-without-initramfs doesn't need to |
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be officially supported anymore, and so if things break that it is |
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up to end-users to ensure they pick up the pieces. |
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Although it is likely that eudev *will* keep installation onto / and |
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out of /usr to help with this not-officially-supported situation in |
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Gentoo, that doesn't mean the other projects have to stay out of |
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/usr, and "it worked before the upgrade but doesn't now" certainly |
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doesn't mean it's a valid bug. If a user or sysadmin drops their |
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initramfs when they have a separate-/usr system, any resulting |
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breakage is on them. |
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