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On 19 January 2013 18:26, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote: |
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>> People who do have printers can always enable it themselves. I don't |
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>> see any reason for cups to be enabled by default, especially not on a |
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>> minimal profile, and that includes the simple desktop profile. The kde |
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>> and gnome profiles are expected to be more "complete". |
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> Unless we plan on adding yet another profile for "normal" users I |
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> think this is really pushing it. I'm not sure I buy disabling it on |
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> the default profile, let alone the desktop one. |
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I guess it comes down to either this, or the creation of a truly |
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minimal profile, which quite a few people really want. |
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> Yes, I'm sure some people don't own printers. However, that figure |
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> has to be fairly low. |
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I'm not so sure about that. The majority of my friends and colleagues |
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don't own a printer. When we do need to print something, it would be |
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for work, so we have it printed at work. |
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> Yes, users who have printers can enable it, but |
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> those without printers can also disable it. I don't think I actually |
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> know anybody who owns a computer but not a printer. Frequency of use |
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> has to count for something here. |
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Indeed, and from what I see around me, that is fairly low. But this |
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could be a cultural difference. |
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> Maybe we should have some kind of use-case to guide how we create each |
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> profile. I'm concerned that the default profile is going to turn into |
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> something that isn't actually useful for anybody. It will still be |
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> too heavy for people who are running embedded, it will be way to light |
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> for people who just want a computer that works, it won't have support |
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> for things people need on servers, and so on. If the "default" |
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> profile isn't actually intended to be used by anybody we can be |
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> up-front about that and then create a profile that actually can be |
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> used. |
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I think the default should be minimal but useful. |
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> For the desktop profile I think that it shouldn't pull in |
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> KDE/Gnome-related deps/features (which are REALLY heavy), but |
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> otherwise should be similar to what you'd get on any other |
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> desktop-oriented distro (debian, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, mint, arch, |
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> etc). That generally means that the packages that are installed |
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> should be fairly feature-complete, especially around things like |
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> multimedia, etc. Could you imagine ANY other desktop-oriented distro |
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> not having printer support by default? |
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Actually, that is what I would expect from the more "basic" oriented |
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ones like Arch and Debian. Printer support should be an optional |
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add-on, not part of the basic install. Maybe I'm too idealistic... |
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Cheers, |
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Ben | yngwin |
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Gentoo developer |
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Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin |
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