Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

[Anthony G. Basile]

On 2/8/16 7:46 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 02/08/2016 08:18 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On 2/8/16, Patrick Lauer <patrick@g.o> wrote:
>>> The idea here is to change the order of the providers of
>>> virtual/udev. For existing installs this has zero impact. For
>>> stage3 this would mean that eudev is pulled in instead of
>>> udev.
>
>> Might I suggest a slightly different approach.  I don't really
>> have a strong preference on the order of providers in this
>> virtual, though I don't really care for a direction of promoting
>> in-house

what does in-house tool mean?  i'm a gentoo developer but i also work
on an upstream project (eudev) that 14 distros use.

some of the criticism given here are my concerns as well and i've
spoken with the various distros --- slack, parted magic, puppy.  they
get what's going on and they still see eudev is the best way forward
for now.  it may not be in the future, but neither will a udev
extracted from a compiled full systemd codebase.

>> tools over standardized ones (genkernel is another one that
>> comes to mind). Gentoo's distinctiveness should come from being
>> source-based and offering choices, not from a large collection
>> of internal forks (I have nothing against people working on them,
>> but they shouldn't be the default experience).
>
>> However, I think we're actually missing the bigger issue here.
>> Why is this virtual even in @system to begin with?  When I set up
>> a chroot or some kinds of containers I don't need udev, or
>> sysvinit (or openssh - but let's set that one aside for now).

it needs to be in the new stage4s to make a bootable system.  imo a
stage4 should be bootable modulo a kernel.



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