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From: "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <hkBst@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support )
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:12:40
Message-Id: 49B11321.1030607@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ) by Caleb Cushing
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4 Caleb Cushing wrote:
5 >> Your demands because of your feelings of entitlement are what are costing you
6 >> respect.
7 >
8 > why do people keep telling me what I feel? anyone else ever notice
9 > feelings don't convey well over text.
10
11 Well, you spoke of "owing users", and "the right to open a bug and watch for
12 progress reports" combined with this:
13
14 "right now you are the kind of person that thinks being a volunteer is a
15 privilege and not a responsibility. You think that because you don't get paid
16 that you don't have to do it. I assure you that if you look at most non foss
17 volunteer jobs you either have to do your job or quit. it is the same in open
18 source. perhaps I'm judging you wrongly." --
19 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260582#c6
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21 It seems like you want to tell us how to do our jobs. It seems like you think
22 you have the right to tell us what to do. Now, I'm happy to be wrong about those
23 views, but that's what it looks like to me.
24
25 >> Yes, it's extremely frowned upon to step on another developers toes; Gentoo is
26 >> not a one-man show. Would you like ME to stomp all over your tree? Didn't think so.
27 >
28 > that depends on what you mean by 'stomp' if by stomp you mean fix
29 > problems for users, stomp away. if by stomp you mean break stuff, then
30 > no. I don't care if you change something I changed if it's better,
31 > it's better.
32
33 The point is that you don't know whether someone else has a good judgement of
34 better. People that have been taking care of certain parts of the tree may just
35 know something you don't. This is why we encourage people to talk to maintainers
36 when they touch their packages but also encourage maintainers not to feel too
37 possessive.
38
39 >> Just so we're clear. I really hope you change your attitude and take Peter
40 >> Alfredsen (loki_val) up on his generous offer.
41 >
42 > and my attitude is? what is it that you think I think?
43
44 I've answered that above.
45
46 > I may take him up. but I'm also considering the possible conflict of
47 > interest, as well as the additional time requirement. I hope you
48 > understand. even if I do I have a commitment to what I've already
49 > started.
50
51 On your blog[1] you imply that if you decide to not, that you wouldn't be able
52 to "to talk to people to understand something". I just want to stress that this
53 is not so. Many of us are available on #gentoo-dev-help and this mailing list
54 for technical questions.
55
56 Marijn
57
58 [1]:http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com/2009/03/to-gentoo-dev-or-not-to-gentoo-dev.html
59
60 - --
61 Sarcasm puts the iron in irony, cynicism the steel.
62
63 Marijn Schouten (hkBst), Gentoo Lisp project, Gentoo ML
64 <http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-{lisp,ml} on FreeNode
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