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On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o> wrote: |
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> Hello folks, |
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Hi Markos. A small detail first. You shouldn't cross post as it makes |
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things confusing and often results in threads splitting. I have no |
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problem with that because my email client merges threads but it's not |
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the case for everybody. |
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> Looking through the Council project page, the policy regarding the inactive |
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> council members doesn't look optimal to me |
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If you look at the summary of the last council meeting you will see |
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that I was tasked to start discussions on rewriting GLEP 39. I have |
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gathered input from various sources and will start posting the |
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discussion topics real soon now. One of them is about voting by email |
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which impacts the slacker rule. Your email will be particularly useful |
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for the discussion of that topic. |
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> 1) He is inactive in critical discussions ( such as the whole Phoenix |
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> discussion ) for a certain period of time |
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This is an interesting concept but finding a metric to gauge activity |
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based on mailing list discussion is very difficult for two reasons. |
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You use the example of the Phoenix discussion as one where council |
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members should have posted to show their activity. However, although |
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you consider me active you may have noted that I haven't publicly |
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participated to it. This doesn't mean I don't care or don't have an |
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opinion on it. But, and this is the other reason, much of the work I |
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do is done in private. Not that I want to hide anything but I read |
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threads and based on what developers and users say I ask questions, |
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advise, (re-)motivate, or connect people, etc... And I do that in |
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private because it doesn't make much sense to have those conversations |
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on mailing lists, and also because you guys already see enough of me |
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there. |
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> 2) Fails to accomplish his role by supervising the Gentoo projects. Remember |
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> we have plenty of Gentoo projects nearly dead and there is no way for us to |
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> participate since contacting the project leaders is a no-go. Indirect |
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> question: Is the council aware of the status of all projects? Shouldn't it |
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> be since he is responsible for them? |
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Another hard one to find a metric for. Beyond that, when I wrote my |
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manifesto for last year's elections I talked with other developers |
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about the possibility for the council to "audit" projects on a |
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volunteer basis. By audit I meant and explained that the council would |
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closely look at a project at their request and offer advice on short |
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and long term operation. This wasn't well received at all, to the |
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point that I didn't even bother adding it to my manifesto. |
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It seems that project leads like to consider their project as their |
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own little corner of Gentoo, and don't like too much to be interfered |
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with. I'm personally OK with that. One of the reasons is that we rely |
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on volunteer manpower and you can't force a volunteer to do anything |
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(s)he doesn't want or like or (s)he'll leave. You have to be very |
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careful when interfering with their work and find the right balance |
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which will change from one situation to the other. |
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One example I remember is when last year the kde project was |
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considering going forward without a lead. It isn't technically a |
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top-level project so it isn't required to have a lead. I thought that |
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in the case of such a large project it was a bad idea to not have one |
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though. I wanted to force an election but decided I would wait for the |
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right opportunity to make it happen as smoothly as possible. Jorge |
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will probably confirm that there was no arm wrestling involved. Making |
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such things happen without hurting anybody and stepping on anybody's |
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toes requires a lot of thinking and planning. From the opinion of a |
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lot of devs it's about as far as one should go. By the way this is |
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probably the kind of "leadership" Ben was referring to in his recent |
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thread, although I didn't mention it there as I don't like bragging |
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about these things. |
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> I feel sorry to admit that the current council failed to become a good |
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> leader for Gentoo and his inactivity demotivates both users and |
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> developers |
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I partly agree with you. I considered resigning last year when I saw |
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the disaster from the inside. Ferris convinced me that the right thing |
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to do was to stay on and do my best to keep things working and change |
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them when necessary. Which I'm still trying to do, but right now I'm |
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not sure I'll run next time. |
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Denis. |