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On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Gregory Woodbury <redwolfe@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> This is not unlike the kerfufle that occurred when systemD was introduced |
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> not so long ago. To use it folks had to make major changes to their systems |
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> that took several months to iron out the kinks. Additionally, some of the |
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> folks |
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> pusing the change seemed to have a bad attitude about not caring that what |
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> they did had unintended consequences. (Enough so that Linus had some bad |
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> words for them!) |
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Are you maybe referring to some of the udev changes like persistent |
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network interface names? Systemd was never pushed out as a default |
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and switching over to it isn't a huge ordeal but it is certainly a |
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VERY deliberate one. |
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The exchange between Linus and Kay concerned an issue that only |
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happened when you were actually running systemd. It certainly |
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wouldn't impact any Gentoo user who didn't intentionally switch, or |
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users of just udev. |
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As far as I'm aware the udev changes were very well communicated using |
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news, and users were given options both for adapting to the change or |
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blocking the change from taking place. This is a fairly typical way |
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of handling something like this in Gentoo; we've never really been a |
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distro that automatically takes care of things if you don't read news. |
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Other distros can be a bit more auto-magic because they restrict the |
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user's options. When I set up a Gentoo box I need to pick my |
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preferred network manager and configure it. When I go installing some |
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other distro the interfaces all come up auto-magically, but if I want |
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to tweak something I end up having to hunt endlessly to figure out how |
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that distro does things, and try to make my tweaks in a way such that |
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the package manager won't revert it on the next update. I also |
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suspect that after I'm done all my tweaks the next time the distro |
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does some auto-magic updates (such as after something like the udev |
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change) I'll end up having to re-tweak things as it steps all over me. |
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And that is the benefit and cost of using Gentoo. You get to do |
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things your way, and we know you're going to do it your way, so we try |
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to warn you and equip you when things change and not step all over |
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you. However, it does limit the sorts of things we can automatically |
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update for you, because we have no idea how you've set it all up. We |
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give you the tools when you install your system, and we give you the |
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tools when it is time for renovations... |
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Rich |
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