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On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Damien Levac <damien.levac@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> On 2016-06-02 05:27 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: |
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>> On 06/02/2016 12:57 PM, Damien Levac wrote: |
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>>> |
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>>> On 2016-06-02 03:42 PM, waltdnes@××××××××.org wrote: |
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>>>> On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:31:11AM -0400, Damien Levac wrote |
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>>>>> IMHO, you see this in reverse. the 'gui' useflag would be useful for |
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>>>>> users who don't want to care about X/wayland/mir and do not want to |
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>>>>> care |
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>>>>> about gtk/qt, they just want windows to be drawn for the applications |
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>>>>> they install -- without, if possible, pulling useless dependencies. |
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>>>> How, exactly, will the app draw windows without linking against one |
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>>>> of |
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>>>> X/wayland/mir/qt4/qt5/gtk2/gtk3/fltk or whatever else comes down the |
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>>>> pike? |
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>>> It will be linked to one of those, but the users don't want to care so |
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>>> reasonable default would apply. |
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>>> For example, if I have setup my profile to be 'plasma', then having |
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>>> 'gui' in my global use flags would mean "build with qt5 support to |
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>>> provide my gui whenever possible, if not possible, fallback to whatever |
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>>> is available at the discretion of the package maintainer". |
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>>> 2 nice properties I foresee this feature will have: |
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>>> * If you do not like it, don't use it. It shouldn't affect any user |
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>>> unless they explicitly use the flag. |
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>>> * Negating the flag would mean to not build any GUI (i.e. headless |
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>>> server) which is cleaner than: '-qt3support -qt4 -qt5 -gtk -gtk3 -X |
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>>> -waylang...' |
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>>> I do not think the question is whether the flag would be useful: it |
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>>> will. The question is: can it be implemented efficiently... |
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>> To play devil's advocate, can we get a citation on "users don't want to |
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>> care"? Which users? Does Gentoo have a lot of users who don't care, or |
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>> does it attract a more passionate audience that enjoys the control that |
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>> comes with being source-based? I'm inclined to believe the latter, but |
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>> I'm ready to be wrong. |
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> Personal experience: I use to care a lot and tweak my system a lot... But |
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> I am not an eager undergraduate anymore, my interests have shift. I still |
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> use Gentoo as I know the system very well and like it. But I am in a point |
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> in my life where I want to focus on my work and not on whether or not I am |
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> making a 'gtk-only' or 'qt-only' system.. |
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I'm a USE="-*" person, and I think USE="gui" to clean up a few lines in |
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package.use/* would be a nice idea... We do exist :) |
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