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On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Sylvain Alain <d2racing911@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> Hi everyone, for a couple of months now, I see on the list some of |
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> activities about OpenRC been ported to FreeBSD or OpenRC to Debian and other |
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> stuff related to SystemD. |
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You and half the world. Most of the issues you raise are much bigger |
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than Gentoo and are taking the whole linux world by storm. |
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> I have some basic questions about all that : |
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> 1. The SystemD and Udev projetcs are merged now, so what is the impact on |
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> the Gentoo on a short term period ? |
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In the short term nothing, although systemd has half-decent support |
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now, the default remains openrc and there are no plans to change that. |
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> 2. I saw on some lists that Gnome/Kde and Xfce plan to use some SystemD API, |
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> so does it means that we will need to install SystemD aside of OpenRC ? |
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Now, no. In the future - nobody really knows for sure, but it seems |
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likely that at least in some cases not only will you need to install |
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it, but you'll need to run it also. |
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I'd heard only Gnome was moving in this direction, but perhaps other |
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projects are as well. I'd be surprised if Xfce moves in this |
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direction - they've always been about being minimal. |
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> 3. In a long term vision, can OpenRC still exist on a Gentoo box(OpenRC |
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> might be able to boot the box then give the control to SystemD/Udev for the |
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> rest of the boot process) or we will need to migrate to SystemD to be able |
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> to use Gnome/Kde or Xfce ? |
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If you do need systemd for gnome/etc then most likely you'll just want |
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to use it across the board. Trying to run some kind of a hybrid seems |
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like the worst of both worlds. |
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> 4. Finally, is there any reason why Gnome/Kde/Xfce wants to add deps related |
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> to SystemD ? I don't understand why these desktops want to depend on a |
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> specific Sysint.... |
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You'd have to talk to them, but I believe their goal is to go for more |
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of a vertically-integrated experience (which fits more with Gnome or |
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KDE than Xfce, but again the last I'd heard only Gnome was going in |
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this direction so far). Ubuntu is doing similar things with |
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Unity/Upstart. |
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I don't know everything that the integration will support, but I can |
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imagine they're interested in things like better WiFi and network |
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roaming support (re-set your network, re-configure your firewall |
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settings, update the UI, etc), better behavior during |
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suspend/resume/etc, handling of things like bluetooth, and so on. I |
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don't run linux on a laptop unless you count my Chromebook so I can't |
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really vouch for what the current experience is like or what needs |
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improvement. |
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I've tried to stick to the facts here, at least as far as I'm aware of |
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them. I don't think we need another 50-post thread on The Unix |
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Way(TM) and whether it is a good or bad thing. These developments are |
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going to be a challenge for distros like Gentoo or Debian that aim to |
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be general/meta distributions. It used to be that you could swap out |
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major components and all the APIs/interfaces still worked. In the |
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future it might be much harder to run Gnome on Gentoo on an OSX |
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kernel, etc. However, all of this is a bit speculative and it is hard |
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to say how things will actually turn out. |
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Rich |
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