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From: Alec Warner <antarus@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:16:37
Message-Id: b41005390808050816o7346aafbi3f50c9bee0e09cbe@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7 by Ciaran McCreesh
1 On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
2 <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com> wrote:
3 > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:06:11 -0700
4 > "Alec Warner" <antarus@g.o> wrote:
5 >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Stephen Bennett
6 >> <spbennett@×××××.com> wrote:
7 >> > I would like to put forward the following suggestion for the
8 >> > Council's consideration:
9 >> >
10 >> > "While the current state of PMS is not perfect, it is a reasonably
11 >> > close approximation to existing and historical behaviour of EAPI 0.
12 >> > Given this, and that getting a perfect definition is not feasible
13 >> > on a timescale shorter than several years, it should be treated as
14 >> > a draft standard, and any deviations from it found in the gentoo
15 >> > tree or package managers should have a bug filed against either the
16 >> > deviator or PMS to resolve the differences.
17 >>
18 >> Is this not already the status quo? Surely a number of bugs in the
19 >> tree have already been fixed in this manner.
20 >
21 > Currently some developers are quite happy to fix issues, whilst others
22 > prefer to yell "Portage is the only supported package manager and if it
23 > works for me with Portage you can go to hell"...
24
25 So assuming the council says we should fix all these issues (and in
26 most cases I would support that assertion)
27 who would fix them? The maintainer is obviously hostile and I doubt
28 the council is going to *force* them to accept said
29 patches. Is QA going to fix these bugs?
30
31 >
32 > Also, some developers seem quite happy making changes to Portage that
33 > break existing packages that rely upon behaviour as defined by PMS,
34 > under the assertion that "PMS is too much like a rulebook"...
35
36 Also some developers seem quite happy making changes to PMS that break
37 existing packages
38 that rely upon behavior as defined by Portage; under the assertion
39 that "Portage is a broken/buggy piece of software"
40
41 That being said you are free to chat to Zac about the changes; I doubt
42 you can compel him to comply with PMS
43 100% unless this is driven by developers themselves. He (not unlike
44 me) is kind of a pragmatic fellow.
45
46 -Alec
47
48 >
49 > --
50 > Ciaran McCreesh
51 >

Replies

Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7 Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7 David Leverton <levertond@××××××××××.com>