Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

[Michał Górny]

On Wed, 01 May 2013 12:50:42 +0200
Pacho Ramos <pacho@g.o> wrote:

> El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 12:04 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
> [...]
> > - other ~490 systemd units are missing at this time and writing them
> > could also be a great GSoC project (don't look at me, I'm busy
> > enough).
> [...]
>
> Can't them be stolen from other distros running systemd?

Yes and no. Fedora took the quick way of switching to systemd which
means some of the units are really poor quality. For example, they rely
on configs in /etc/sysconfig which we don't want to port to Gentoo.

I'd prefer if someone took the task really serious and worked hard to
get:

a) fixed config handling in upstream packages (thus allowing for better
unit files),

b) really good unit files,

c) bugs for upstreams to try to include those good files or fix
the existing ones.

> [...]
> > The final outcome will hopefully be:
> > - easier to migrate from/to systemd, at runtime, with NO recompilation
> > at all (just enable USE=systemd and switch the device manager from
> > *udev to systemd -- unless somebody wants to drop the udev part from
> > systemd, if at all possible)
>
> Are udev and systemd-udev-part really equivalent? I mean, since they are
> maintained by different people downstream, I am not sure if there would
> be differences in how udev from udev ebuild and udev from systemd ebuild
> will behave.

There may be differences. For example, I'm not really interested
in patching systemd with patches from eudev which will never make it
upstream. Therefore, systemd-udevd won't work with old kernels systemd
does not support.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny