Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML

[Alexander Gabert]

CAUTION:
You are wasting your time reading this.
You are currently wasting my time because i had to write this.
You are also wasting the time of every other developer or ML reader who 
is reading this.

You may start wasting even more time of you, me and others putting more 
oil into this fire.

Ciaran McCreesh schrieb:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:30:13 +0200
> Alexander Gabert <pappy@g.o> wrote:
>
>>> And this is why it's a bad idea: it's moving criticism away from
>>> where people will actually read it.
>>>
>>>
>> IMHO it is moving criticism away from where people will actually NOT
>> read it.
>> Get a life and stop whining that you are not the center of the world.
>>
>
> And again you illustrate why it's a bad idea. With the change that kind
> of illogical nonsense is being actively encouraged.
>
>

dear Ciaran,

It is funny to see how much you are fighting for riding a dead horse.

In my opinion a mailing list that is named "*-dev" is for discussing 
technical aspects of development.
Just because it has been tolerated by the owners of the mailing list to 
discuss nontechnical aspects of the distribution Gentoo Linux itself 
this does not necessarily mean you got a "preserved right" for the future.

I think, a separate mailing list is a good step to balance out the 
issues with you and get you and people like you separated from technical 
discussions because i think you are harming other people with your 
attitude towards Gentoo Linux and certain developers.



Look, there is some types of developers we have at Gentoo Linux

We have the silent ones, working hard.
We have the silent ones, working a bit less hard.
We have the loud ones, working hard.
We have the loud ones, working a bit less hard.

On the other hand, there is some types of people working with us on our 
shared goal: making Gentoo Linux

There is the silent ones, working hard.
There is the silent ones, working a bit less hard.
There is the loud ones, working hard.
There is the loud ones, working a bit less hard.

And there is Ciaran McCreesh.

There is no point in trying to abuse the communication on the gentoo-dev 
mailing list for your shit.
You left the project and it's your choice to continue working with it 
and on it.
However, you cannot expect me as a developer to listen to your continued 
rants and the problems you are creating.

I have been watching this stuff going on for a couple of months now.

I hope we, the Gentoo developers, will get a separate mailing list for 
discussing nontechnical aspects of development and Gentoo Linux, be that 
politics, personal problems or just apologies for posting porn to an irc 
channel.

Then, hopefully, sooner or later this gentoo-dev mailing list will calm 
down and return to it's original function: inform developers of 
technical changes and be a positive melting pot for technical, unbiased, 
nonflammatory discussions.

The alternative is getting a gentoo-core-dev mailing list for Gentoo 
developers where prospective developers and friendly partners of Gentoo 
Linux can post technical proposals and get discussions starting in a 
friendly non intrusive atmosphere.

Ciaran, if you think you need the "public grip" of the high volume 
gentoo-dev ML for pointing out how much things go wrong and how baaaaad 
baaaad some things are for the project: to me it is illogical to think 
"criticism" has a quantified approach.

Criticism is always qualified, not quantified.

Talking to one person about something going wrong is worth the same 
positive energy than talking to 3000.

In the past you and me have made appearances at Gentoo by 
unproportionally throwing mud at simple problems, trying to solve them 
with publicity and relentless bitching.  I have learned my lesson- you 
apparently did not.  Guess who is still with Gentoo and enjoying the 
people and their work for the distribution.


-Alex
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