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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:19:52 +0000 George Prowse <cokehabit@×××××.com> |
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> wrote: |
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>> What on earth is going to be a "major visible improvement" to a |
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>> command line based package manager that any average Gentoo user is |
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>> going to realise? The average user probably only uses a few commands: |
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>> emerge -u/p/a/v/--sync/package/world/system and then use |
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>> package.keywords/mask/unmask so there are really no fundamental |
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>> differences that the average user will notice |
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> If you think that that's all a package manager should do, you have a |
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> serious lack of imagination. Most users need or would heavily benefit |
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> from far more. See http://ciaranm.org/show_post/95 for some modest |
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> ideas that have turned out to be useful. |
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All well and good (and I agree that those would be nice) but none that |
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today's average Gentoo user is going to notice as a "major visible |
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improvement". --depclean has improved dramatically so the --uninstall |
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will be just another way of doing it. |
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>> And that really means that portage is no easier/harder than it was 3 |
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>> years ago when USE="~x86" emerge foo was consigned to the dustbin |
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> Except that now users have to deal with more like a thousand installed |
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> packages, and have no sane way of doing simple things like: |
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> * Unmasking everything needed to get a particular KDE release in one go |
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great for power users and devs but again, the average user will see no improvement |
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> * Uninstalling a package along with its now-unused dependencies |
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> * Uninstalling a package along with everything depending upon it |
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Yup, i agree with you there, --depclean seem to be mostly working |
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properly so that is not so much of a problem but --uninstall-with-deps |
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would be great |
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>>> Sunrise is the canonical example. Also consider the way the forums |
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>>> are being run (like it or not, the forums are taken by many to be |
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>>> representative of Gentoo's user base)... |
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>> It seems to most that the forums is the only part of Gentoo that is - |
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>> and always has been - running smoothly |
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> Smoothly is not productively or effectively. |
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But they do it VERY productively and effectively - look how fast they |
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ban the troublemakers and trolls. Maybe they should control the lists...? |
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Methinks you should "sheath your swords for lack of argument" on this |
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one (Henry V - Act 3 Scene 1) |
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