Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE 3.2.3

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Sat, 2004-07-10 at 10:41, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> I am reading it now, yes. He also stated he will move it before 30 days
> because he uses it, and needs it.  So basically, what I am seeing, is if its
> important enough for the dev, then they forget the 30 day rule. If its not,
> they don't..

No.  He didn't say that he would move it before 30 days.  Read it
again.  He specifically said that he *isn't* moving MySQL until he is
*positive* that it does not have the same bugs as the previous version
did.

> Which is getting me right were I thought I would be in this, the devs just
> basically do what they want. They follow the rules when they want to.

...and devs that do this on a regular basis are dealt with by devrel. 
The rules are there for a reason.  However, you seem to misunderstand
the rules and are exploiting their wordings for your own personal
agendas.  Congratulations...

> Mysql is sitting for a good reason, which was my question in the beginning.
> Why is it sitting. He answered, but also stated he  moves them in if the
> changes are significant enough. But according to the policy sent to me, its
> only suppose to if its a security fix.  Which is why I am waiting for kde,
> because its not been 30 days, but does have a significant fix in it. just as
> the mysql developer stated he moved his in earlier for.

No.  He said he moves them in if the changes are *insignificant*
enough.  Changes that are tiny bug fixes, or heck, even typo fixes are
quite common.  They're able to bypass the waiting period and go straight
to stable.

> I don't know anymore.. Let the devs just do what they want..

You seem to think we will anyway, so why are you bothering to even
continue this?

> > That being said I'd love to always have the newest KDE and its unfortunate
> > that Caleb just didn't have the time to move it.
>
> Funny thing is, if I had just got the reply from him, and none of this other
> crap, this wouldn't be the thread that it is...  I just wanted to know why
> some are taking so long. I wasn't aware of this 30 day rule before. I
> remember many ebuilds being there for only a few days, then being set stable
> many times in the past.. Mysql being one.
>
> Oh well, you guys just do what you want.. This thread is going way past my
> intentions anymore.

I'm glad the we have your approval.  I'll be sure to submit a story to
GWN this next week that you approve of our actions.

I know that you have met with some resistance, but quite frankly, it is
to be expected when all you do is come out and criticize those of us
that devote time and energy to Gentoo to make it better for everyone who
uses it.  If perhaps next time before you fly off the cuff and write an
email complaining about something, you were to think about a possible
solution, and maybe even research the "problem" that you're criticizing
so that you come across as being helpful and not being a complete
self-serving ass, you'll be better received.

Also, maybe you could have avoided this entire thing if you had simply
emailed kde@g.o, seeing as how they're the maintainer.  Writing
emails to -dev complaining about something being stable is about as
useful as a bicycle to a fish.

As Kurt had said before, besides being a developer for Gentoo, primarily
I am a Gentoo user.  When I find a bug in an ebuild/package, I contact
the maintainers and file a bug.  I give them the same information I
would expect from any other user on a bug assigned to me.  I let them
make the decision on what to do because they are the maintainer, and
they know what is best for the package in question.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering QA Manager/Games Developer
Gentoo Linux

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