Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

[Daniel Campbell]

On 06/02/2016 01:46 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 16:37:58 -0400
> waltdnes@××××××××.org wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 04:25:07PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote
>>> On 02/06/16 03:42 PM, waltdnes@××××××××.org wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:31:11AM -0400, Damien Levac wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, you see this in reverse. the 'gui' useflag would be useful for
>>>>> users who don't want to care about X/wayland/mir and do not want to care
>>>>> about gtk/qt, they just want windows to be drawn for the applications
>>>>> they install -- without, if possible, pulling useless dependencies.
>>>>
>>>>   How, exactly, will the app draw windows without linking against one of
>>>> X/wayland/mir/qt4/qt5/gtk2/gtk3/fltk or whatever else comes down the
>>>> pike?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The "useless dependencies" is the result of one or more of these
>>> random flags being enabled globally when an end-user just wants to
>>> make sure they get the GUI built for their apps.
>>
>>   The original discussion was about global defaults.  If you want
>> per-app settings, package.use is your friend.
>
> I'm going to keep this short: please try to understand that not
> everyone can spend hours of time adjusting every single package
> in Gentoo so that it may finally start working as expected.
>
> We understand that some people have goals like 'I want Qt everywhere,
> I hate GTK+ so much I'd rather not be able to do anything than have
> GTK+ on my system'. We respect them. But we're no longer going to
> optimize Gentoo for those people.
>
Who are you speaking for with "we"?

The Gentoo GNOME team? Upstream GNOME? Some employer who's hiring
someone to introduce these flags to Gentoo? Outspoken users who have
(strangely) only spoken to a few developers with their concerns?

The council's not voted on this issue, so you're definitely not speaking
for all of us.

(Note I'm not necessarily against this USE flag deal, but we shouldn't
be speaking for anyone but ourselves here.)
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