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From: Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:43:47
Message-Id: 1132677570.27288.46.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation by Thomas Kirchner
1 On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 11:19 -0500, Thomas Kirchner wrote:
2 > * On Nov 22 10:15, Chris Gianelloni (gentoo-dev@l.g.o) wrote:
3 > > It isn't pretty much anymore. It *is* exactly the same.
4 >
5 > Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're going to attempt to get the same
6 > result as a stage1 with a stage3 - (which won't be exactly the same,
7
8 You're wrong. You can still change your virtuals, just like you can
9 with a stage3. You can still change CFLAGS/USE flags.
10
11 > given the defaults of stage3 that we don't all agree with) - don't you
12 > have to download the huge stage3 tarball *and* all of the distfiles?
13 > With a stage1, you only need the distfiles. Seems like a big change,
14 > especially for those without fast connections.
15
16 Honestly, you only need download what you've changed. If you have
17 changed quite a lot, yes, it will be more to download.
18
19 > I'm against this change, personally. Stage1 has *always* been for
20 > advanced users. If someone screws up their own system (which is possible
21 > in any number of other ways, as well) then it's their fault. Gentoo
22 > isn't about babying users. It is about choice. And if changing that is
23 > the only way to reduce your workload, well...
24
25 *sigh*
26
27 Another "Gentoo is about choice" argument. Can I ask you something?
28 Where does it say that Gentoo is about choice? I see lots of places
29 that say that Gentoo allows you to customize, but nowhere do I see
30 anything that says that we are about choice.
31
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33 Chris Gianelloni
34 Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
35 x86 Architecture Team
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