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On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:04:30 +0100 |
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Jeroen Roovers <jer@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:00:16 +0100 |
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> Tom Wijsman <TomWij@g.o> wrote: |
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> > In this case the maintainer isn't needed on the bug anymore. |
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> You can't simply drop your old toys when you get bored with them. |
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> You're leaving a mess in the tree and blaming others. You have |
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> achieved nothing else. |
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In real life; if you take someone else's toys out of the garbage can, |
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they become your mess and it reverts my achievement of ditching them. |
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> > > Or when another arch alias got CC'd later on. Or when a maintainer |
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> > > got fed up waiting and reassigned to an arch team in a "rage |
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> > > quit". And so on. It makes very messy bug reports. Musical |
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> > > chairs, anyone? |
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> > The music seems unfit for the situation, how does this apply here? |
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> Google "musical chairs". |
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Keeping the unfit music off, we don't play; how does this apply here? |
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> > > > If we want a separate assignee for old stabilizations, what |
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> > > > about a separate project that handles this, or maybe we could |
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> > > > assign the bugs to m-n or something until the arch teams catch |
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> > > > up? |
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> > > Again, where is the man power for that? :-) |
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> > The lack of manpower is a given by this thread, it's more about |
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> > relief. |
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> So maintainers should clean up their old ebuilds and not expect |
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> understaffed arch teams to do it for them. |
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The understaffed arch teams want to keep them around. |
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> Since elsewhere you actually agreed with WilliamH agreeing with me on |
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> this point, it isn't clear what you're meaningfully trying to add |
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> here. |
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Sounds like another context. |
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> > Exactly, it's that simple; but, it will be reverted per policy. |
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> Is the punctuation supposed to mean anything here? I can't make sense |
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> of this otherwise. |
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Replace the boundary marks by terminal marks if that helps; however, |
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the pauses here are as intended in a way that makes sense. |
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> > Stabilization requires tons of manpower to really work; the only way |
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> > to get that to happen with high efficiency and effectivity is to |
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> > bring a lot more people to the table, and let it also be done by the |
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> > users that already have interest in running ~ on their systems. |
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> You're again negating the premise that the team that is expected to do |
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> the work is understaffed. This isn't a company where you simply hire |
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> some more people to do the work or bring in an interim manager to fix |
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> a team. The way volunteer work gets done is that you let stuff bitrot |
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> for a while, make users suffer, and that if no one turns up to do the |
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> work for you, someone will come in and clean up. |
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The users will do; given that we already know that, we can work towards |
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it. |
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With kind regards, |
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Tom Wijsman (TomWij) |
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Gentoo Developer |
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