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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 03:16:19PM -0500, Dale wrote: |
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> William Hubbs wrote: |
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> > Hi Dale, |
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> > I would like to call your attention to a couple of things in my message. |
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> > On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 01:40:10PM -0500, Dale wrote: |
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> >> William Hubbs wrote: |
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> > *snip* |
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> >>> I want to hear from people who have / and /usr on separate partitions |
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> >>> and who are not using an initramfs. |
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> >>> |
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> >>> If you are in this group, I have a very specific question. Why aren't |
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> >>> you using an initramfs? |
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> > *snip* |
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> >> I have a separate /usr among others and always have. The reason I do |
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> >> that, /boot and / are normal partitions but everything else is LVM. I |
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> >> can adjust the size of everything BUT /boot and /. At the time I did |
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> >> that, the init thingy was not needed if I recall correctly. I might |
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> >> add, I've had to grow /usr and /var a couple times. Before LVM, it |
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> >> meant copying over to another drive, repartitioning and then restoring |
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> >> to the old drive. Time consuming and one wrong command could ruin a |
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> >> install. |
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> >> While I have a init thingy, I do not like it. I've had a couple |
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> >> failures already with those things. Luckily I keep older kernels and |
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> >> such for that. If I had my wish, I would not need a init thingy, ever. |
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> >> It's just one more thing that can cause problems. There's already more |
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> >> than enough things that can break. While I understand the problem comes |
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> >> from upstream, I still think it sucks. It's easy enough to have a |
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> >> unbootable kernel as it is. Adding another layer for booting to fail |
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> >> should be avoided. BTW, I use dracut. I tried to build it other ways |
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> >> but couldn't get it to work. Bad thing is, when one fails even built |
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> >> with dracut, I have no clue how it works really so no idea how to fix |
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> >> other than using a older kernel or just rerunning dracut and hoping for |
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> >> the best. |
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> > You just stated that you have an initramfs, so you did not thoroughly |
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> > read my message. I specifically asked to hear from folks who aren't |
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> > using one. All of this is irrelivent since you are. |
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> >> I'm also not looking forward to the other situation you mentioned |
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> >> either. At some point, having separate partitions won't be easy with or |
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> >> without a init thingy. I can't easily resize / without reworking the |
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> >> whole thing. |
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> > Like I said above, separate partitions without an initramfs has been |
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> > broken for many years. We have been doing some downstream hacking that |
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> > made it work for some people. You are obviously not one of those people |
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> > since you use an initramfs. |
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> > Can you please not add irrelivent noise to this thread? |
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> > William |
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> I did read your message. The reason I posted, I wish I did NOT have to |
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> have one and I was in the situation you describe. From what people |
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> post, here and elsewhere, my system may not boot without one. So, if it |
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> is possible to NOT have a init thingy, I'd love to see that supported. |
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We are doing a bit of custom hackery at this point to make it work as |
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well as it does, so the reason for this thread is to determine why |
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people in that situation still are. |
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Expanding support would mean more custom hackery and forcing more things |
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to install in / instead of /usr, so I don't see us going there. |
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> I might also add, I originally thought this was on -user not -dev. I |
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> did see that wrong. |
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It doesn't matter that this is on -dev. |
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William |