Re: [gentoo-dev] Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support )

[Marijn Schouten (hkBst)]

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Caleb Cushing wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
> <hkBst@g.o> wrote:
>> "right now you are the kind of person that thinks being a volunteer is a
>> privilege and not a responsibility. You think that because you don't get paid
>> that you don't have to do it. I assure you that if you look at most non foss
>> volunteer jobs you either have to do your job or quit. it is the same in open
>> source. perhaps I'm judging you wrongly." --
>> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260582#c6
>>
>> It seems like you want to tell us how to do our jobs. It seems like you think
>> you have the right to tell us what to do. Now, I'm happy to be wrong about those
>> views, but that's what it looks like to me.
>
> and what's your perspective? who gets to tell you what to do? it's not
> that I get to. but what I said I do believe, is common among foss
> developers. they don't take volunteering as a responsibility. They
> don't think of it as their other job. I think they should. It's also a
> pet peeve of mine so I kinda flew off the handle.

Why do you think they should?

> question is do you understand what I've written? given your statement
> below on my blogpost on what you think I've implied (I'll respond
> directly) you might be wrong about this to.
>
> this is also the reason that I have to carefully consider being a
> gentoo dev. if I do, I have a responsibility to the users of my
> packages.
>
>> The point is that you don't know whether someone else has a good judgement of
>> better. People that have been taking care of certain parts of the tree may just
>> know something you don't. This is why we encourage people to talk to maintainers
>> when they touch their packages but also encourage maintainers not to feel too
>> possessive.
>
> sometimes it's just a difference of opinion. it depends on your
> opinion of "what's right" and "what's better". but sometimes even the
> smartest person is wrong. I do not claim to be always right, and I'm
> most certainly not.
>
> but I don't think I'm wrong when I say it's wrong not to version bump
> a package when all it takes is the copy of a previous ebuild. I don't
> think I'm wrong when a bug is put on hold due to other bugs, (for 6+
> months) but the maintainer never answers what other bugs.

No, you are not wrong, but it does not follow that the people who are already
investing time towards similar issues are slackers. It's a manpower issue. Even
trivial bumps have to be tested and bugzilla is there such that it can help each
developer work more efficiently.

>> On your blog[1] you imply that if you decide to not, that you wouldn't be able
>> to "to talk to people to understand something". I just want to stress that this
>> is not so. Many of us are available on #gentoo-dev-help and this mailing list
>> for technical questions.
>
> no that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that it's easier to
> get help if you got 1 or more specific mentor's  to help you. asking
> for help on irc, forums, mailing lists, is often a crap shoot at best.
> given I get help more often than not. but sometimes you still don't
> get any (for various reasons, don't know, don't care, not around,
> don't understand). You read an implication that I didn't actually say.

I just wanted to make my point. It isn't really material whether you implied
what I said you did or not.

Marijn

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Sarcasm puts the iron in irony, cynicism the steel.

Marijn Schouten (hkBst), Gentoo Lisp project, Gentoo ML
<http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-{lisp,ml} on FreeNode
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