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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@×××.net> wrote: |
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> Andreas K. Huettel posted on Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:12:47 +0100 as excerpted: |
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>> Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018, 18:16:33 CET schrieb Vincent-Xavier JUMEL: |
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>>> Le 2018-01-10 10:53, Michał Górny a écrit : |
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>>> > Last I checked, Gentoo was a Linux distribution. However, some people |
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>>> > prefer to turn it into open discussion forum that has nothing to do |
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>>> > with making a distribution. |
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>>> No it has. Giving power to a subset of users, denying interaction with |
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>>> future contributors unless they enroll is the eaxct way to kill Gentoo |
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>>> as a community ! |
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>> We wouldn't have needed to go this far if not for a few outside trolls |
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>> who |
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>> * keep pushing their personal agenda in endless threads, |
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>> * confuse their own inability to contribute with being a mistreated |
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>> underdog, |
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>> * and keep commenting opinionated on technical things they |
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>> plainly have no clue about (while whining when are told they sprout |
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>> bulls##t). |
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>> We do not have a problem with "future contributors". I wager those will |
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>> rather increase in numbers once the list spam is gone. |
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> This has been my biggest concern about the whole thing: |
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> Are we going to be nipping future devs in the bud because there's now too |
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> many hoops to jump thru too early, and it's simply not worth the trouble |
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> when they can (and will) go elsewhere where it's easier, |
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> OR |
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> Are we going to be lowering the unwelcoming noise, confusion and name- |
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> calling threshold and making the community more welcoming for those who |
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> have a serious interest, clearing out some of the stuff that could |
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> otherwise discourage them. |
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> It's pretty clear that council believes it's the latter, at least to the |
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> degree that they're willing to try it for a time, effectively a wager of |
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> sorts, but I don't believe anyone can honestly say what the real effect |
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> one way or the other will be until it /is/ tried. |
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> Personally, my viewpoint is that while over the last year or so there |
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> were some 1-2 level frustrating posters on a 5-point scale, it's nothing |
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> compared to the level-4 (direct name calling, just short of physical |
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> threats that justify getting the law involved) stuff that I've seen on |
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> this list in the some-years-distant past. In my mind, unquestionably |
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> that level-4 stuff required action, and it was taken. |
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> The recent stuff seems so much milder in comparison that IMO it's hard to |
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> see what the hubbub is all about, but there's certainly an argument to be |
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> made that the previous experience simply desensitized our detection |
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> meters, and that were it not for that, the recent stuff would seem rather |
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> more shocking and horrible than it does, and that even if it's /less/ |
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> horrible, it's horrible /enough/ that it remains unacceptable in a |
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> civilized society, and if we /do/ accept it, we're effectively pushing |
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> others that won't, out. |
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Given the quantity of relevant problem-mail that came from |
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@gentoo.org, maybe the glass house dwellers should be careful where |
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they aim their stones. I considered taking the dev quiz and everything |
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instead of just posting a few ebuilds on bugzilla years ago, but the |
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elitist, as Alex labelled it, voices from @gentoo.org are what made me |
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decide not to, and my decision keeps getting reinforced. That |
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impression has been there for years, and it's not getting better by |
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this. |
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