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On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 21:16 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: |
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> 22.11.2005, 20:57:15, Chris Gianelloni wrote: |
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> > The idea was to move out the stage1/stage2 docs to somewhere else. Then |
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> > create some sort of "Advanced Installation Topics" guide or something, to |
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> > list out the replacement procedures for customizing a system from a stage3 |
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> > tarball, then, eventually, drop the stage1 and stage2 tarballs. |
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> Erm, did you read what solar wrote about hardened stages and why should stage1 |
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> still stay? |
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I read it. For one, I am speaking of the default stages for the |
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releases. If the Hardened team decides that they would prefer to |
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continue to offer a stage1 tarball, I wouldn't have a problem with that. |
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While solar's reasoning applies fine to the Hardened releases, it |
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doesn't apply to the default x86 releases, as we release on multiple |
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sub-arches, which each have their proper CHOST settings. |
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> > "A stage3 tarball is an archive containing a minimal Gentoo environment, |
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> > suitable to continue the Gentoo installation using the instructions in |
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> > this manual. Previously, the Gentoo Handbook described the installation |
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> > using one of three stage tarballs. While Gentoo still offers stage1 and |
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> > stage2 tarballs, the official installation method uses the stage3 |
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> > tarball. If you are interested in performing a Gentoo installation using |
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> > a stage1 or stage2 tarball, please read the Gentoo FAQ on How do I |
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> > Install Gentoo Using a Stage1 or Stage2 Tarball?" |
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> That FAQ section has nothing in common with the original stage1 docs. Sorry, |
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> installing stage3 to remove all the use flags cruft subsequently, bootstrap and |
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> re-emerge the system and then ponder which packages are not needed any more |
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> (again, there's no reliable tool to remove unneeded stuff from system, I've |
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> already mentioned this once) - hmmm... :/ |
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No. That FAQ section is there to describe how to install from a stage1 |
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or stage2 tarball and has nothing to do with a stage3 tarball, nor did I |
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ever say that it would. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting |
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at here. |
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> And - once stages 1+2 are removed (as you are suggesting above), then I'll |
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> install the system only to build my own stage1 w/ catalyst, then reformat and |
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> start over with my own stage? Ah, that makes live sooo much easier ;p |
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You would be more than welcome to, but you would be wasting your time. |
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I quite personally could care less if you wish to go through this |
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process or not. The whole point here is in what we want to support. |
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> > Really, everybody is just up in arms over a knee-jerk reaction to not |
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> > reading carefully. What it boils down to is either not knowing the |
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> > facts, or trolling/flaming. |
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> Why exactly is evaporating stage1 an ultimate goal here (as it seems to me?). |
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It's usefulness is far outweighed by the problems it causes, and it is |
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really no longer necessary, nor has it been for over a year now. |
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> So don't support it, but why it should not exist? |
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I'll explain this just once. If we release it, we are expected to |
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support it. There are *tons* of examples of things we won't do because |
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we don't want the headache of supporting it. Why should this be any |
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different? |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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Release Engineering - Strategic Lead |
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x86 Architecture Team |
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Games - Developer |
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