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On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 11:42:14AM +0100, Roy Marples wrote: |
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> On Wednesday 17 May 2006 10:23, Wernfried Haas wrote: |
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> > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 10:16:32PM +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote: |
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> > > This is not only about adding a profile, but if paludis is officially |
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> > > supported by being in the tree and profiles, fixes for paludis get |
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> > > into the tree etc, this sounds like paludis is a Gentoo project and users |
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> > > will expect it to work and be supported. They will be allowed to ask |
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> > > questions about something not working with paludis on the forums, |
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> > > mailing lists, on irc etc without being off-topic. |
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> > > So far and with respect to other distributions (like e.g. Vida, |
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> > > Kororaa or whatever they were called) a rule of thumb was: |
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> > > A Gentoo system uses the official portage tree, was installed using |
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> > > the Gentoo installation guide using Gentoo stages, etc - and which was |
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> > > rather implicit - using portage as package manager. As far i |
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> > > understand it paludis differs from that in many ways. |
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> > > So before the package manager gets optional and we support something |
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> > > quite different we really should figure out what we consider a Gentoo |
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> > > installation. |
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> I see no difference between this and other external projects which have an |
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> impact on the tree, like say gcc. If a gentoo dev puts an alpha of gcc in and |
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> it's package masked and stuff, then I expect devs that put Paludis in the |
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> tree to provide a similar level of support. |
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So you consider a system using paludis instead of portage still a |
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generic Gentoo installation, which we as Gentoo support in all ways? |
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We may have a different understanding of the term "support" - in my |
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eyes that doesn't mean it's just not broken, but we also give users |
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support, allow them to ask questions and don't mark bugreports with |
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INVALID. This also includes forums, irc, lists, writing docs, etc. |
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So far we've been moving stuff out of the Gentoo forums to Off the |
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Wall if people were using fancy overlays of their Gentoo based |
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distribution or systems built with non official stages - so what do we |
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do with systems using another package manager than portage? |
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> > Does the lack of responses mean everyone agrees to my point? We really |
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> > should figure that stuff out before we start integrating an externally |
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> > written package manager we have no influence on whatsoever - otherwise |
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> > it would just be fair to do everything any other Gentoo based |
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> > distribution demands from us as well. |
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> Tell you what, you figure out the internals of baselayout or we'll remove it |
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> from the tree. I think a few Gentoo dev's know Paludis internals enough to |
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> support it. |
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So because a few developers know its internals we can and do support it (in |
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all ways as stated above)? That's exactly the issue i want to have |
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answered clearly, sorry if it was a misunderstanding before. |
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cheers, |
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Wernfried |
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Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org |
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