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On 08/10/2012 09:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote: |
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> vdr is a first example which comes to my mind. They workaround program |
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> configuration limitations and the init.d scripts become a complex |
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> extra-configuration parser + plugin loader. Well, another thing here is |
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> that upstream AFAIK is not willing to cooperate to fix their config |
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> parsing. |
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> 'oldnet' is an another example. I'm not saying it should go; I'm saying |
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> it should be a stand-alone executable called from the init.d script. |
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> Last time I looked, squid init.d was performing post-inst in start(). |
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> Many users may find that beneficial but that's not what init.d scripts |
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> should be doing. |
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This discussion is really derailing. |
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Currently most people using certain features from openrc feel quite |
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defensive and mildly uneasy with the current situation since systemd is |
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pretty much swallowing components we used to rely on and force radical |
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changes w/out providing explanations to people that do not care and that |
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are perfectly happy with what they have. |
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Now Canek seems to feel like that I'm willing to kill systemd and make |
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it impossible to use it in Gentoo. |
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That's not the case, I consider systemd a bad idea since it is only |
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geared to solve some specific issues and does that in a way that I |
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consider dangerous for the global usage patterns I'm aware of. |
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systemd ideas are interesting and for a dumb linux desktop the |
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implementation would be ok. |
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systemd doesn't work in many scenarios and when it gets pointed |
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apparently there is a disagreement on that because "systemd is perfect" |
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like it happens with it gets pointed that pulseaudio has shortcomings |
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(that come from its design) or avahi doesn't seem that stable. |
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I can live with a seldom broken audio subsystem and I can cope with the |
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fact pidgin-bonjour could randomly crash, I'm not happy to be forced to |
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move to something with the same attitude as my init system. |
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The whole point of the debate should be if easier to have systemd split |
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itself in usable components so people with certain focuses could |
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leverage it on linux and replace those on non-linux (apparently not a |
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chance) or have what we currently have and works decently and hopefully |
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be compatible (so have a compatible interface for user-daemons, a |
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compatible dbus interface for the desktop integrations and so on), not |
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which project we should help to kill the others. |
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