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From: Michael Mol <mikemol@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenRC supporting systemd units
Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 20:23:01
Message-Id: 518AB41B.3020607@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenRC supporting systemd units by "Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn"
1 On 05/08/2013 04:06 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
2 > Michael Mol schrieb:
3 >>> Sounds like a great feature. A crashed process is a buggy one, and I
4 >>> would want to investigate said program before I relaunched it, and
5 >>> not have it automatically relaunched as if nothing had happened.
6 >>
7 >> That's highly, highly, highly use-case dependent. If it's a
8 >> non-critical service, or in a non-critical environment, that's one
9 >> thing. If it's a service whose downtime can be measured in value lost,
10 >> that's quite another.
11 >
12 > You could be looking at someone trying to compromise your system through a
13 > buffer overflow or similar vulnerability. If you enable automatic respawn
14 > then congratulations, you just gave the attacker unlimited tries to guess
15 > the correct address/offset for his exploit.
16
17 Without respawn, you're already bending over and taking a DoS. And when
18 you're in a situation where service uptime is a cap on revenue, uptime
19 is pretty darn important.
20
21 That's not to say analyzing the crash isn't important, but if I allowed
22 a prod service to remain down while I investigated a crash, studied the
23 problem, evaluated a fix for correctness and lack of regressions,
24 scrubbed the fix and tried again, I wouldn't have that job for very long!
25
26 Certainly there are environments where it's sensible to take things slow
27 while you investigate (OpenVPN crashed? ssh crashed?), but there are
28 environments where that's not the case, too. It depends on your threat
29 model and a variety of cost/analysis factors. That's why I said "highly,
30 highly, highly use-case dependent."
31
32 If upstream provides a unit file, and that unit file specifies a
33 behavior, you should (by default) trust the upstream. If you don't like
34 what upstream does, convince them to change. If they won't, make your
35 changes locally. If it's _really_ bad, obviously you have an interesting
36 position as a dev in a distribution, and you might make your change
37 there, but that certainly shouldn't be your default course of action.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenRC supporting systemd units Peter Stuge <peter@×××××.se>