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On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@g.o> wrote: |
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> I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate |
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> developers from the effects of their decisions. Anyone with an |
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> incongenial tone will have their voice bit revoked and their mail will |
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> be dropped or rejected. |
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And what would you do when somebody repeatedly sexually harasses other |
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members of the community in private after being told to stop, and then |
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acts as if they're the victim on the public mailing lists? |
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Pretty much every organization I've ever been in would quietly show |
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such a person the door unless the victim went public with the |
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allegations. Most normal people wouldn't want to be a part of an |
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organization that didn't do such a thing. |
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Apparently though in Gentoo some prefer that the victims of harassment |
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have no recourse if the harassment doesn't happen on the gentoo-dev |
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mailing list in public. |
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If you think some cabal is running the show just run for Council. If |
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you win then you get the lucky job of trying to explain all this |
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without disclosing the horrible things that some people do in private. |
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Of course, lots of people won't believe you, since they profess to be |
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innocent and the evidence can't be disclosed without bringing harm to |
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a victim or creating the possibility of a defamation lawsuit. |
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Nobody should assume that my example fits any particular person, but |
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it is certainly one I've heard about in Gentoo's history. These |
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things do happen when you have a large enough community. |
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There are certainly people around here that annoy lots of devs, and |
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have for years, and yet they're not the ones being banned. Heck, I |
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know I annoy plenty of people with lengthy posts, but the stuff that |
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actually gets people driven out goes way beyond annoyance. |
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And honestly, in an ideal world we wouldn't be moderating posts based |
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on who posted them, but simply based on their content. Posts about |
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Gentoo development on gentoo-dev can go through, posts that aren't |
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about such things don't. It is usually for the sake of manpower that |
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you whitelist/greylist/blacklist individuals. |
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