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From: foser <foser@×××××××××××××××××.net>
To: gentoo-dev@g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:35:56
Message-Id: 1062081047.3455.132.camel@rivendell
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop by Paul de Vrieze
1 On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 16:00, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
2 > The menu system is not about having the same menu in all windowmanagers as
3 > much as it is about having every application added to the menu of whatever
4 > windowmanager you are using. Independent of what kind of toolkit the
5 > application uses. A vanilla useflag would function like currently the foreign
6 > package flag does for the kdeadmin ebuild. That flag enables the compilation
7 > of a package manager that is standard but currently does not work well with
8 > gentoo (it being not an rpm based system).
10 I know it isn't, but it's one of the uses. I was thinking when i wrote
11 it i should've explicitly added that it wasn't all this is about, but
12 thought it unneeded. Wrong again, it was just an example.
14 I was later on hammering at the fact that the wm's better be adapted by
15 us than us providing layers of stitchy support on distro level.
17 > For the menu system it might be necessary to patch some windowmanagers to be
18 > able to use our menu's while keeping some compatibility with a situation
19 > where the menu manager is not installed. Those changes are normally small and
20 > localised, but generally change some part of the plumbing of such a program
21 > while keeping generally the same behaviour. If you want to hack with a
22 > windowmanager yourself those changes might be confusing and hence the
23 > "vanilla" flag
25 Vanilla flag for what, if it's not good enough for everyone it shouldn't
26 be needed. Although we are still talking details of 1 proposed project
27 here with 1 possible implementation in mind. I don't think that is what
28 this thread was meant to be about.
30 > The idea is not to create some monstrous gentoo-specific monstrosity as redhat
31 > does with kde. It is just small changes to make sure that everything "just
32 > works". For example take a look to
33 >
35 > Which is an enhancement I wrote so that things like kmail gpg support is easy
36 > to install, just as all kinds of IME's (for our asian friends)
38 All interesting stuff i know about and i agree with it would be nice to
39 have implemented. But i react to the initial mail here which implies
40 much bigger changes. As said i'm not against patching up stuff a little
41 when functional.
43 > Gnome's configuration does not include a menu system with all installed X
44 > applications
46 I assume these 'X applications' you speak of don't even install desktop
47 items at all. This could be easily fixed by providing current
48 freedesktop spec following items.
50 - foser
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