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2009/6/2 Doug Goldstein <cardoe@g.o>: |
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> All, |
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> The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for |
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> weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the |
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> senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, |
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> GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without any real progress or sense coming of them. |
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> It's taken me a little bit to step up and put a stop to it but I fully |
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> intend on putting a stop to it. The point of the council meetings is |
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> to bring up a topic and decide on its merits whether it should be |
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> brought into the Gentoo Project or not. I quote from the first line of |
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> the Gentoo Council website: |
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I am the author of both mentioned GLEPs but I don't feel too guilty |
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about that. Council had every opportunity to decide upon them , one |
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way or another, or state clearly that they don't like this or that. |
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Instead, there has been a pointless discussion each time (4c comes to |
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mind here). Imho, council should be less afraid to make difficult |
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decisions. |
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> "The elected Gentoo Council decides on global issues and policies that |
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> affect multiple projects in Gentoo." |
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> We have all collectively failed the Gentoo Project since we have not |
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> been doing this for the past several weeks. I propose the following |
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> changes be instituted before the meeting and happen through the |
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> meeting: |
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> 1) Agenda Topics are posted to the appropriate mailing lists at a |
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> MINIMUM 7 days prior to the meeting. (That means the agenda must be |
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> formed by this Thursday). |
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> 1a) Any changes to the agenda should be ACK'd by the council members |
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> (off list via the council alias). Changes can not occur less than 48 |
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> hours from the meeting. |
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Sounds good, but I would still allow some flexibility even during the |
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meeting if no-one objects. |
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> 2) The #gentoo-council channel become moderated as we had discussed |
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> several times in the past. |
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> 2a) Topics will be brought up and people wishing to address the |
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> council and the developer body at large should speak to the day's |
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> appointed moderator. We can take turns or I can do it (maybe it'll |
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> keep my head from banging against the keyboard as it has in the past |
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> watching the various non-council members argue completely non-agenda |
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> items back and forth). |
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> 2b) Requests are made in tells and honored in turn. The moderator will |
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> announce to the channel who wishes to speak and the order they are in |
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> and will efficiently work through the list. If you can not remain on |
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> topic, you will lose your voice. |
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I wouldn't be so strict here, use it as last resort. |
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> 3) Once discussion on the topic has concluded, the council members |
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> will vote on the actions requested by the developer body. That does |
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> not mean it is time for council members to concoct an entirely new |
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> plan by the seat of their pants... which leads me to the next topic. |
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> 4) Council members will now be expected to ACK the agenda on the |
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> appropriate mailing lists at least 48 hours prior to the meeting. If |
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> you can't, let the council know. You should be able to do this without |
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> relying on your proxy, but your proxy may do this for you as well if |
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> you have an extended away. |
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> 4a) Failure to ACK the agenda will be noted on the meeting minutes. |
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> 4b) Council members will be expected to formulate their thoughts in |
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> reply to the agenda items and to research the discussion they wish to |
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> have on the mailing list PRIOR to the meeting and not fly by the seat |
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> of their pants. |
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> 4c) "The first I heard of this and I need 4 weeks to research this." |
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> or any variation of the quoted statement is no longer a valid |
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> statement. The point of the meeting is to weigh and debate the items |
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> before us now. Do your research PRIOR to the meeting, not during. |
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4c) is the most important imho. |
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Also, I think meetings shouldn't be limited to 1 hour. I would move |
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the limit to at least 2 hours. Even if the process is improved, 1 hour |
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is just not enough. |
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Best Regards, |
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Piotr Jaroszyński |