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On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 08:44 +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote: |
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> On 6/28/05, Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o> wrote: |
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> > > I think the current suggestion in the GLEP is the best we can |
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> > > achieve. Old moderators may take the quiz, new moderators must. Given |
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> > > enough time all old moderators may retire sooner or later and one day |
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> > > all active moderators will be official. |
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> > I just don't see it the same way as you. I agree with having all new |
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> > *global* moderators taking the quiz. However, I completely disagree |
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> > with you that we should have *some* global moderators that have become |
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> > official Gentoo representatives, while others have not. It simply |
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> > causes too much confusion and makes things a serious pain to manage. |
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> > Either the forums become a much more controlled (as in global mods have |
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> > to be staff) environment, or they stay the same. I just don't see how |
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> > any middle ground would be feasible without an enormous amount of |
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> > managerial overhead that seems like a complete waste of time to me. |
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> > |
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> What I do not understand here is where is the confussion. We accept |
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> the fact that if any mod/admin wants to become staff, he's got to take |
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> the quiz. In our first version of the GLEP, there was a backwards |
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> compatibility section that explained that existing mods/admins |
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> wouldn't have to take the quiz. That was our internal global consensus |
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> and obviously the rest of existing developers do not agree with it. |
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> It's just that you do not let us take care of our own things. |
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You want to become official. In that regard, you do not get to take |
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care of your own things anymore. If that was the case, there would be |
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no control over the direction developers take, and there would be no use |
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for any kind of managers, or developer relations, or anything like that. |
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> Even thought that, we did agree about the quiz thing. Unfortunately, |
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> some people of our team, with who we agreed on an initial instance are |
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> not frustrated by this. So the best solution I see so everyone gets |
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> his share and have an intermediate position, nor our initial consensus |
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> nor the strict proposal of developers. That is to say, let every |
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> single mod decide if he/she wants to become Gentoo Staff or not. |
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If we say half of the global moderators are staff, and the other half |
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are not, how are users supposed to know the difference? Once you become |
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official, the statements made by the forum moderators/administrators are |
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pretty much official statements of Gentoo (to the user anyway). In that |
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regard, its not proper to have a half-way period. Every developer and |
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staff has taken the quiz, I fail to see what makes forum mods so special |
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they deserve an exception; |
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> As I said above, I do not understand why it is so confusing. |
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> Mods/admins that do not become staff, would retire sooner or later as |
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> stated by Haas Wernfried, so in the end all mods/admins will be |
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> official Gentoo Staff. We could have a transitory time in here for |
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> them. |
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Again, I fail to see why the forum staff deserves an exception to the |
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rules that every other person that is either staff for Gentoo or a |
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developer for Gentoo has to follow. |
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> About the language: all global mods do speak (write) English fluently. |
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> That is too obvious. Global Mods and Admins can take the quiz in |
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> English with no problem. The problem comes with our fellow |
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> International Forum Mods, who do not have to meet that requirement as |
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> they won't be doing their job in English. This means that their |
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> English level can be low enough, just to keep up the communication |
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> with the rest of the team. We also have to think that many people in |
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> the Gentoo Forums do not have a good English level and precisely |
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> *that* is the reason International Forums exist. If everyone had a |
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> good English level, International Forums and International Forum |
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> Moderators wouldn't be required, but that's not the case. |
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I don't believe anyone here has stated the forum-specific moderators |
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would have to take the quiz, since forum-specific moderators won't be |
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considered staff. If however, they wanted to become global moderators, |
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then they would be required to take the quiz. |
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Mike Tindal |
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