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On 02/17/2016 09:54 AM, brettrsears@×××××.com wrote: |
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> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry |
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> -----Original Message----- |
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> From: Ben Kohler <bkohler@×××××.com> |
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> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 08:01:32 |
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> To: <gentoo-dev@l.g.o> |
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> Reply-to: gentoo-dev@l.g.o |
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> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider |
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> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Richard Yao <ryao@g.o> wrote: |
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>> eudev has every commit scrutinized by people who care about using it on |
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>> Gentoo. systemd-udev does not. Consequently, eudev has avoided the system |
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>> boot breaking regressions that prompted its creation. That is a good reason |
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>> to make it the new default. If it fails to fulfill its duties, then this |
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>> could be revisited, but that should be unlikely. |
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>> I think if someone could enumerate those specific breakages and present it |
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> as evidence, that could get more people on board for this change. Moreso |
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> than just "upstream doesn't care about us" or "eventually split udev will |
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> be impossible". |
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> -Ben |
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This is something that I think many of us who had systems broken by |
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sys-fs/udev multiple times before sys-fs/eudev was an option thought was |
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obvious. |
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If a complete list of the breakages that lead to the creation of |
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sys-fs/eudev were produced, I imagine that the list would have at least |
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3 to 5 items from the ~18 months before sys-fs/eudev with half of them |
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were probably self inflicted by sys-fs/udev maintenance. |
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I recall one incident involving whether udev should be in /sbin or |
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/usr/sbin being resolved after 6 months of debate between then future |
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eudev founders and sys-fs/udev maintainers only because the systemd |
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developers told the sys-fs/udev maintainers it should be in /sbin like |
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others had told them. |
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Another broke support for older kernels for no apparent benefit (and |
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this sort of regression naturally enters sys-fs/udev): |
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https://github.com/gentoo/eudev/commit/eeb8d70a6b38f736febaa4c3b03e39b4c1193a6c |
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There were other issues too, but I am unable to volunteer the time |
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required to go through history to figure out what was broken, when and |
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for how long. |
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