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On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:36:09AM +0100, Steve Long wrote: |
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> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> > On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:29 +0200 |
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> > "Ioannis Aslanidis" <aslanidis@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> >> > The real point is that bug-wranglers has lost over 50% of it's |
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> >> > effectiveness, again imo. jakub and spanky are the two main guys, |
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> >> > and it's not just the loss of jakub's prodigious work-rate, which |
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> >> > kept a lot bugs from even reaching devs, but the loss of his |
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> >> > influence on QA which is a complete disaster for gentoo. |
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> >> |
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> >> Add +1 to that. |
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> |
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> <snip examples of bad behaviour> |
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> > ...does anyone want another few pages of that kind of thing? Devrel has |
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> > for once gotten something more or less right. Perhaps people should be |
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> > thanking them instead. |
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> > |
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> You're ignoring the point made about the amount of bugs Jakub kept away from |
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> devs, and the loss of his influence on QA. Quoting examples of his bad |
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> bahaviour doesn't change the fact that it is unacceptable for devrel to |
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> discuss his case without involving him. |
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Devrel have warned him numerous times to behave properly and stop |
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attacking other devs and users. How is that not involving him? |
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> |
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> Please note this is not the same as discussing a complaint with the |
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> complainant, prior to discussing a dev's behaviour as a team. And no, I |
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> don't want pages more; I agree Jakub can be difficult. But at least he is |
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> difficult in the cause of achieving something real and positive for gentoo. |
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He's also difficult in marking several valid bugs INVALID, refusing to |
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reopen them and refusing to assign them to the maintainers in several |
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cases. |
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Besides I'd like to remind everybody that spending a lot of time on |
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Gentoo, getting lots of things done, having a tough job etc. doesn't in |
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any way justify bad behaviour. If you're having a tough time and |
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starting to react badly it's time to ask ombudsman, proctors or maybe |
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even devrel to help solve the problem or maybe even take a vacation from |
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Gentoo. Failing to do so is quite often just going to make things worse |
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and ultimately result in suspensions or even forced retirement. |
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> |
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> And from the comments of others, *he gets the result*. |
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Sure, he gets things done. And it would be much better if he worked |
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together with other devs in a friendly way and stopped getting in the |
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way of maintainers as he has done on many occasions. |
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> |
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> It's not just me that thinks there haven't been any major b0rkages for |
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> nearly a year. Could it be that maybe, just maybe, the development process |
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> has actually worked /better/ since you were forcibly retired? |
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That's completely unrelated to the current discussion and there's |
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absolutely no need for such attacks. |
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Regards, |
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Bryan Østergaard |
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