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On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <waltdnes@××××××××.org> wrote: |
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> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:09:58AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote |
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>> On 09 Feb 2016 22:39, Duncan wrote: |
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>> > Mike Frysinger posted on Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:26:52 -0500 as excerpted: |
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>> > > On 08 Feb 2016 13:46, Micha?? Górny wrote: |
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>> > >> I'm strongly against this, because: |
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>> > > agreed. i also don't see any reasons in Patrick's e-mail to suggest the |
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>> > > current default is inadequate. "i don't like upstream" isn't relevant. |
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>> > I'd agree, except that the way we're running udev is strongly discouraged |
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>> > and generally not supported by upstream, with a statement that it /will/ |
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>> > break in the future, it's simply a matter of time. |
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>> start a thread then when that actually happens |
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> The problem with that approach is that all at once the Gentoo forum |
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> will be hit with questions by a whole bunch of people who will have to |
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> migrate to either eudev or systemd on a short deadline. As the old |
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> saying goes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I believe |
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> that the best way to handle a crisis is to prevent it in the first |
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> place. That means getting into a lifeboat before standalone udev sinks. |
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What would force them to migrate all at once? Even if udev-229 |
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doesn't work standalone, udev-228 will work standalone forever, and |
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patches could always be backported if there were some security crisis. |
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By all means change the virtual if it is the right thing to do, but I |
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don't think that we should treat this as some kind of risk that could |
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cause problems for us without warning. Most likely if a need to |
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abandon it comes up we'll have months of warning, with still-working |
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versions of udev not even marked stable yet in the pipeline. |
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As I said earlier, the advantage of procrastination is that you can |
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make a choice later when you have better information or perhaps even |
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more choices available. Maybe by the time udev stops working |
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standalone everybody has seen the light and is now using libredev |
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anyway. |
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Often the decision to procrastinate is a decision that is rewarded. |
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That should be considered carefully. |
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