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On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 09:18:23 +0200 David Seifert wrote: |
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> On Fri, 2019-06-21 at 08:59 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote: |
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> > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 16:32:56 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: |
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> > > On Thu, 2019-06-20 at 09:53 -0400, Brian Evans wrote: |
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> > > > On 6/9/2019 7:39 AM, Michał Górny wrote: |
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> > > > > +Tracking of user/group usage is done through dependencies. As |
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> > > > > long |
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> > > > > +as any installed package depends on a specific user/group |
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> > > > > package, |
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> > > > > +the respective user/group is assumed to be used. If no |
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> > > > > package |
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> > > > > +requiring the specific user/group is left, the package manager |
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> > > > > +automatically prunes the package clearly indicating it is no |
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> > > > > longer |
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> > > > > +used. |
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> > > > |
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> > > > You cannot know when a name is "no longer used". An |
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> > > > administrator could |
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> > > > have adopted a username for other purposes. |
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> > > |
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> > > That's why we don't remove the actual user/group. However, this is |
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> > > a valuable information to the administrator that no package is |
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> > > using |
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> > > the user/group in question. |
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> > |
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> > So how do you propose to clean them up? Or let user systems trash |
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> > with unused uids/gids? The GLEP 81 only mensions some possible |
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> > tooling for cleanup. Is there an implementation available? I don't |
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> > see it within proposed patch sets. |
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> > |
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> > This GLEP should not be accepted unless all necessary tools are |
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> > available including a cleanup tool. |
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> > |
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> > Best regards, |
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> > Andrew Savchenko |
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> |
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> Strongly disagree: |
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> 1) User systems are already getting trashed. And apparently it's not a |
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> critical thing that prevents users from using Gentoo in practice. |
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> 2) A cleanup tool at best will only tell you which files you need to |
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> check, randomly deleting files with orphaned uids/gids is not a good |
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> idea. |
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What will happen when some acct-*/* package will be unmerged? Will |
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uid/gid record and/or its files be deteleted? |
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> 3) This proposal strictly increases the quality of Gentoo. Don't let |
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> perfect be the enemy of the good. The fact that the problem isn't |
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> solved to 100% doesn't mean that a solution that gets us there 85% |
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> should be rejected. |
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> Strongly vote +1 to merge this now. |
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Best regards, |
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Andrew Savchenko |
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