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On Wed, 2021-02-10 at 08:51 +0800, Benda Xu wrote: |
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> > The first big blocker we're going to hit is trustme [3] package that |
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> > relies on cryptography API pretty heavily to generate TLS certs for |
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> > testing. If we managed to convince upstream to support an alternate |
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> > crypto backend, we'd be able to retain minor keywords a lot of packages |
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> > without too much pain. |
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> I could feel the pain. |
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> Bootstraping Rust on Prefix is somewhere between alpha, hppa, ia64, |
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> m68k, s390 and amd64[1]. The problem was exposed by |
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> gnome-base/librsvg[2]. |
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> I am wondering how useable pkgcore is on alpha, hppa, etc. Maybe it's |
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> time for us to plan for a Gentoo without essential Python dependency. |
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It's not usable anywhere. We keep updating the PMS, and the council |
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keeps voting to approve the new versions, and we teach all new |
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developers that they need to respect both the PMS and council |
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decisions... and then from that day on, everyone completely, publicly, |
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ignores it, adding thousands of packages across entire ecosystems that |
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don't work properly without portage. I'd like to say it's one of the |
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craziest things I've ever seen, but, there was 2020. |
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We "started" with three package managers, and now we're down to one. |
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The council needs to grow some balls and enforce the PMS before that |
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can change. Pkgcore could be salvaged if you could actually update your |
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system with it. |
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For my "me too," I've been told by upstream that the next major version |
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of clamav will require rust. There are a lot of "real" UNIX machines |
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relying on clamav for e.g. PCI compliance that will be screwed by that, |
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not to mention all of the small business routers and mail gateways on |
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obscure or limited hardware. Personally, I just haven't spent the last |
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20 years contributing to free software to be casually migrated to a |
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system of bundled binary blobs; nor am I able to set aside 8GB of RAM |
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for hours to rebuild the latest version of rust and its myriad |
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unofficial dependencies every day on a production mail server. |
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Eventually clamav will disappear, and we'll likely move a few big |
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customers to Microsoft O365 as a result. |
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