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From: Ian Delaney <idella4@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] new developers' keyword requests
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 02:09:17
Message-Id: 20160521100904.736a044a@archtester.homenetwork
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] new developers' keyword requests by Jeroen Roovers
1 On Fri, 20 May 2016 16:00:02 +0200
2 Jeroen Roovers <jer@g.o> wrote:
3
4 > On Thu, 19 May 2016 18:36:22 -0700
5 > Daniel Campbell <zlg@g.o> wrote:
6 >
7 > > To make sure I understand what you're getting at, are you saying
8 > > some devs get on board and then request to add keywords to packages
9 > > that they already maintain? If said arches are already supported in
10 > > Gentoo I see little problem with that, especially if they intend on
11 > > being part of the arch testing team for that arch or have access to
12 > > the hardware.
13 >
14 > I am not talking about adding architecture keywords to profiles/.
15 > I am talking about adding architecture keywords to ebuilds.
16 >
17 >
18 > Regards,
19 > jer
20 >
21
22 Firstly I think previous replies have been de-railed on talking about
23 new alternate arches, which personally I think is the last thing we
24 need. If there is any confusion it is because the term keyword, like
25 most terms in I.T. gets pushed and pulled and stretched until it breaks.
26 To my understanding, KEYWORDS are arches. But being told to 'keyword' a
27 package could mean perhaps, well, Hu knows.
28
29 Supporting users doing just this lately, I have come across this a few
30 times. Users and new devs are expected to be very ignorant of minor
31 arches, and despite having docs already informing them that they are
32 short staffed and have enough to do, the practicalities of how and why
33 to keyword request or not are still veiled in mystery. Users want to
34 keyword according to what they see supported upstream just because
35 they can. They appear to need it made manually clear to them that there
36 are qualifiers and conditions for putting something up for keywording.
37 These also I believe are as much as mystery to users as they are to
38 devs.
39 How to establish a level of desire form userland to have gentoo
40 support the arch in the package??
41 How to establish sane rationale for it being put up for stable??
42 The last I heard was along the lines of, well, only put it up if it has
43 already been put up in the past.(someone in the past had a check list?)
44
45 If anyone, the members of the arch teams might have some insights based
46 upon first hand dealing with packages and their categories. Frankly,
47 how you can expect or achieve users and new devs to assess these is
48 more the issue, and I do not see there is any obvious path of becoming
49 informed of the interest of an invisible audience; userland
50
51 Hu knows
52
53 --
54 kind regards
55
56 Ian Delaney

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Re: [gentoo-dev] new developers' keyword requests Sam Jorna <wraeth@g.o>