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On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:28 AM Michal Prívozník <mprivozn@××××××.com> wrote: |
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> On 6/16/21 11:21 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: |
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> >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021, Michał Górny wrote: |
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> >> We've moved our official support channels from Freenode to Libera.chat. |
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> >> All that's happened afterwards pretty much proves that this was |
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> >> the right decision. Maybe even to the point of saying that staying |
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> >> on Freenode would be dangerous to our users (e.g. because of the late |
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> >> NickServ impersonations, ops with bad reputation etc.). |
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> >> However, there are still IRC clients in Gentoo that default to Freenode. |
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> >> I think the next questions we need to answer are: |
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> >> 1. Should we be proactively changing the default network in IRC clients |
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> >> (provided they have one) from Freenode to Libera.chat |
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> > Yes. IMHO Freenode is no longer a reasonable default. |
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> Why should we mangle with packages this way? I mean, to me Gentoo was |
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> one of the few distros that allowed real choice for users (systemd vs |
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> openrc, selinux or !selinux, etc.). We shouldn't be making choices on |
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> behalf of users. The best we can do is to open issues for whatever IRC |
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> client we have in portage to switch from freenode to something different. |
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This makes about as much sense as changing the default homepage on |
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browsers or the default address book on email clients. All of these |
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things are used to interact with Gentoo. |
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At this point I think it should be pretty obvious to anybody |
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connecting to Freenode that something has changed. If our concern is |
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users getting bad advice there, perhaps we ought to have more devs |
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participate on the gentoo-user mailing list where we seem to hand out |
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plenty of bad advice daily? :) |
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I think that some point we need to just call this done. I was a |
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proponent of switching networks, but at this point it seems like every |
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FOSS org I'm in has some kind of daily Freenode drama going on. Just |
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about everybody has switched - just call it a win already... |
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I'm sure there will be people on Freenode 10 years from now, probably |
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in many of these same channels. |
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FWIW many IRC clients are already taking these steps. Connecting to |
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Freenode on my phone IRC client is a bit like connecting to my UniFI |
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controller at home using a browser... |
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Rich |
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