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Jesús Guerrero wrote: |
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> On Tue, July 28, 2009 09:29, Hanno Böck wrote: |
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>> While I fully understand that people want to deprecate "old cruft", I |
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>> assume this is far too early. (just think back how long it took us to |
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>> deprecate gtk+-1) |
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> I fully agree with this thought. The qt4 world is simply nowhere near |
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> as complete and usable (nor stable either, which is worse) as the qt3 |
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> one is. |
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>> I'm still on kde 3 and my previous three attemps to switch to kde 4 all |
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>> ended up in the conclusion that kde 4 is far from being stable yet. It has |
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>> tons of regressions. |
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Please note that you need to make a distinction between Qt4 and KDE4! |
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The KDE team had already decided to move KDE3 to an overlay early next |
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year, with the release of 4.4. We as Qt team are just following suit. |
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It's just that the KDE team hasn't made as public an announcement yet. |
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A KDE 4.3 version is supposed to be marked stable within the next few |
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months, and this then clears the way for KDE3 deprecation. |
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When KDE3 will be removed early 2010, we as Qt team see no need to keep |
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Qt3 around any longer either. We currently have no developers who are |
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interested in maintaining it, and upstream doesn't either. Qt4 really is |
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a major improvement over Qt3, especially where it concerns non-KDE apps. |
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>> The amount of qt3 apps not having a sane or just no qt4 port yet is |
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>> probably enormous. I also maintain such packages. |
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> [...] k3b, and [...] kaffeine |
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These are KDE apps, so you need to address the KDE team about that, not |
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the Qt team. But I'm assuming that if these have no working KDE4-based |
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version by early next year, that's just too bad. And on the other hand, |
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for those people who still want to use these applications, there will be |
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the overlay. |
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So, there are very few "pure" Qt3 apps, and even fewer that have no Qt4 |
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port yet. The only major project I'm aware of is MythTV. If there are |
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any others please let me know. |
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> The qt3 stuff is stable, this is not another xmms-like thing, it works, |
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> and it doesn't only work, but today it works *far better* than the qt4 |
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> newer alternatives, in most cases anyway. |
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No, Qt4 works far better than Qt3, and has loads more features. Of |
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course, it is up to the application developers how to use this. Do not |
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confuse KDE4 instability with Qt4 instability. If you compare non-KDE |
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Qt3 apps with non-KDE Qt4 apps, the huge improvements should be |
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self-evident. |
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Even so, our main argument is the question of maintenance. We want to |
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stop wasting time on Qt3 related issues, especially as (1) it is no |
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longer maintained upstream, and (2) its main consumer, KDE3, is |
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scheduled for removal from portage. |
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If you feel passionate about Qt3 and want to make the case for keeping |
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it in portage, then step up and become its maintainer. |
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Cheers, |
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Ben |
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