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On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:41:42 -0400 |
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Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote: |
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> > Let me dig up an example... |
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> > Our last sys-kernel/gentoo-sources stabilization was 3 months ago: |
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> I don't really see a problem with stable package being all of 3 months |
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> old. Contrast that with youtube-dl which pull from ~arch and rebuild |
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> about 3x/week. |
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For something that releases once to twice a week, it is a problem; |
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we're not talking about a package that gets some slow commits here, no, |
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let's run `git log --oneline v3.8.13..v3.10.7 | wc -l`: 28233 |
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That's a lot of commits; now you need to realize that every single |
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commit in this means something, a lot of them are bug fixes (stability, |
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security, reliability, anti corruption, ...) whereas of course a part of |
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it also introduces parts of new features and refactoring. |
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Desktop users might not care for all of these, but sysadmins will; |
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actually, that's what this thread is about, they are switching to ~ |
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because of things like this. Who are we stabilizing for then?! |
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> If somebody needs a newer kernel they can run it. |
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Upstream has advised people that people must upgrade 3 months ago... |
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> I needed something so I accepted <3.10, and it looks like I'll either |
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> have to accept <3.11 now or just live with 3.9 until stable catches |
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> up. I don't really see a problem with either unless I'm looking to |
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> fix some particular bug. |
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This last paragraph has nothing to do with stabilization; we shouldn't |
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expect users to define stable themselves, also note that not all bugs |
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are visible. So, we can't just be careless and wait another month... |
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While this is a large scale example, the same happens in smaller scale |
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to other packages; I don't mean to focus on the kernel, but rather use |
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it as an example to show the underlying problem: |
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Bitrot due to a lack of resources. |
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With kind regards, |
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Tom Wijsman (TomWij) |
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