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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] 'pax_kernel' USE flag
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 06:49:42
Message-Id: 4521f5c24a79f1aaa04855e76df217c2bc5ced35.camel@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] 'pax_kernel' USE flag by Thomas Deutschmann
1 On Wed, 2021-06-23 at 00:19 +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
2 > The PaX community in Gentoo is still big and active.
3
4 Do you have any evidence to prove that? The activity on PaX-related
5 bugs seems to disagree with you. A 'big and active' community should
6 probably result in many patches and fixed bugs, shouldn't it?
7
8 > Many Gentoo users received free access to upstream sources or became
9 > paying customers.
10
11 How many? Is it actually such a large number to claim that
12 the community is 'big'? I suppose that in the past PaX users might have
13 been a significant subset of Gentoo users but not today.
14
15 > It's just not available for everyone for free/without registration
16 > anymore. But it is still a thing in Gentoo.
17
18 Your comment makes it sounds like 'just registering' is an option.
19 The website seems to disagree with that, pretty clearly saying it's
20 a yearly subscription. How much? They don't say but it's reasonable to
21 assume it's a steep price. Wouldn't be surprised if people are
22 forbidden from saying.
23
24 But even if they offered me a free copy I wouldn't take it. They have
25 violated the principles of GPL and harmed the FLOSS world. If you care
26 about open source, you wouldn't pay them a broken penny. If you do, you
27 just support their actions and soon enough more GPL projects will figure
28 out that they can steal all their contributions and declare themselves
29 'keep paying and do not share the code as GPL permits you to'.
30
31 Let's not forget that their patches are generally 'pure garbage' sold as
32 'extra secure' [1].
33
34 Now, how is all of that even relevant to the topic at hand? Are you
35 saying that because you have a grsec subscription, you're actually going
36 to help out with something? Or just complain when things get in the way
37 of people who don't have one and who don't care the slightest bit?
38 >
39
40 [1] https://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg2540934.html
41
42 --
43 Best regards,
44 Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-dev] 'pax_kernel' USE flag Ulrich Mueller <ulm@g.o>