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Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>> The Council has voted that Gentoo continue to support that subset, |
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>> without an initramfs. |
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(The "subset of users" being those who do not need udev before localmount.) |
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> Citation, please? |
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<ulm> New udev and separate /usr partition |
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<Chainsaw> In my opinion, a separate /usr partition has been a supported |
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configuration for a very long time and should remain so. |
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<Betelgeuse> Chainsaw: So to clarify a universal initramfs is not enough? |
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<Chainsaw> Betelgeuse: No. That is additional work for a clearly broken |
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package. |
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So we must support separate /usr *without* an initramfs. |
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<dberkholz> who's going to either "port" udev as necessary, or maintain an |
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old version forever? |
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<Chainsaw> I will keep an old version going until the end of time. |
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<Chainsaw> dberkholz: My plan is to patch reasonable behaviour back into |
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udev, and going with the upstream releases as long as it is feasible. |
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To confirm again, that this is about without initramfs: |
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<dberkholz> sure i can. maintain old udev-XXX forever, put an elog in new |
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udev that says "if you want separate /usr without initramfs, install old |
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udev, mask new, or whatever" |
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And again, I ask: if it were *not* about running udev without an initramfs, |
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then why would anyone even be discussing the possibility of patching or |
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forking? |
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The only question is whether running without an initramfs means the same |
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thing as not requiring udev before localmount. I contend that it is, since |
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the basic requirement we've been given is that udev as a service requires |
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/usr and /var mounted before starting, since some devices already require |
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scripts which are in /usr or access /var (and going forward effectively can |
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require a script anywhere.) |
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Wrt udev linking to /usr/lib, it seems that any such linkage would need to |
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be satisfied in an initramfs too, so the same data could be used for people |
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who don't have an initramfs (how we deal with it on our systems is up to |
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us.) |
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I would dearly love to hear a walkthrough of how you deal with device nodes |
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created by udev which are required for udev to start in your initramfs, but |
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it does not affect the basic requirement for our use-case: that udev is not |
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needed for localmount. |
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Regards, |
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Steve. |
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