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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@×××××××.org>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:04:20
Message-Id: 20070413195916.3428533f@snowflake
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April) by Steve Long
1 On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:17:32 +0100
2 Steve Long <slong@××××××××××××××××××.uk> wrote:
3 > > Except there are. Hence why we want EAPI 1 in the short term, not
4 > > several years from now. The stuff that will take longer can go into
5 > > a later EAPI.
6 > >
7 > Man here we go again: I spend a lot of time helping and being helped
8 > by other gentoo users. *There has been no significant system b0rkage
9 > for nearly a year* *QA is getting better not worse* and *the gentoo
10 > development process works*
11 >
12 > You may have your issues with the gentoo dev team, but spreading this
13 > kinda FUD is outta line imo.
14
15 You don't know what QA problems EAPI 1 will solve, do you? It's not FUD
16 at all.
17
18 > 3 months for specification of EAPI 1 after a year for EAPI 0 is not
19 > exactly moving slowly. And there are clearly other viewpoints as to
20 > what is needed. Personally speaking, I'd like to find out what those
21 > are, as it's both instructive for me, and better for the distro I use.
22
23 We're not talking specification. We're talking implementation time.
24 Many of the things likely to be in EAPI 1 were needed years ago, and
25 the tree has huge problems as a result. The simplest example is the KDE
26 and Qt dependency hell that's come about as a result of not having slot
27 deps.
28
29 > If there really are problems with *portage* those are not your
30 > concern: Paludis users presumably don't get that kinda b0rkage so all
31 > you need to do is /wait/ and let the technical superiority of your
32 > product win the argument.
33
34 *Of course* Paludis users will get the same b0rkage that Portage users
35 do, since it's using the same ebuilds. Please refrain from contributing
36 if you don't understand the issues at hand.
37
38 --
39 Ciaran McCreesh

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