Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE 3.2.3

[Jeff Smelser]

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On Saturday 10 July 2004 11:06 am, Jason Stubbs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've followed this whole thread and you seem to be saying that you don't
> understand why non-KDE devs replied and why it was taken so negatively.
> Therefore, I'll explain how your original email was perceived (at least to
> me) so that perhaps you can see the other side of the fence. I could do
> this for every email you've sent, but I hope that you'll do it yourself.

Kurt and I want over this.

> On Saturday 10 July 2004 01:06, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> > Dev's,
> >
> > Its becoming increasingly common place these days for program to sit in
> > ~x86 for a long time.
>
> You've opened here addressing the entire developer-base of Gentoo. You've
> then gone on to say that we're all lazy.

Correct, this was before I knew of the 30 day policy..  I am not the only one 
who see's it as this discussion has come up about every 3 months from what I 
have heard from other dev's. Your assuming I said your lazy, thats partially 
my fault for not being more clear, and yours for assuming.  I should have 
been more clear and they could have asked me to be more clear. Either way, I 
will try to be more clear next time. ;) I never once said you guys are lazy, 
I know your busy.

> > I am curious why this is?
>
> This sounds like an honest question on its own, but sounds very sarcastic
> in the context of the previous statement.

Emails are that way, its all left up for interpretation, if we were standing 
face to face, this wouldn't have been the blow up that it was.

> > Kde 3.2.3 is still in testing. Whats taking so long?
>
> Again, fairly innocent question but, even on its own, it has a very
> self-centered overtone. In the context of what you wrote previously, it's
> just a personal attack on Gentoo's KDE maintainer(s).

It wasn't.. June 10 kde was released. I was just wondering why its not in the 
stable tree yet, again, not knowing the 30 day "standard".

> > June 24 is a long time to test a production ready application, as kde
> > feels it is.
>
> This shows that the package in question has been in testing for a total of
> 16 days. This also shows that you haven't looked into what a dev's job is.

I was wrong, its June 10.. I read off the wrong date, my apologies for that.. 
its been roughly 30 days now. And I know what a dev's job is.

> In the context of the whole thread, i think those five words "as kde feels
> it is" might have been the whole point of your email - "why aren't releases
> that upstream believe to be stable considered stable by Gentoo?" If you had
> of asked that providing the context of KDE 3.2.3 being tested for 16 days,
> I guarantee you would have got a better respone.

your right.. I was wrong on that and I do admit it as I did with Kurt, it was 
poorly constructed. I apologized then, as I do now. My intentions were to see 
why kde hasn't been released, and help get it in faster, no matter what it 
was..  Again, not knowing this 30 day rule.. I didn't think there was 
considering some things are released early. 

Mysql too, kde has been picked on but I mentioned it too.

> > There are other packages I have found I am having to force upgrading
> > myself on these days just to get.
>
> This has no merit what so ever to the question your asking or any point
> your trying to make and so just sounds like a whinge...
>
> > mysql is still on 4.018, they are on 20 now.

> ...and then you go on to make another personal attack on the mysql
> maintainer(s).

Why is this all taken personal? If I maintained mysql, and this was asked, I 
would explain why its two versions behind.. I don't get this one..  

Maybe the context of the message, protrays this.

> > Whats going on over there?
> > Jeff
>
> You then signoff by broadening your personal attack to include every Gentoo
> developer.

Again, as I said with Kurt, this was uncalled for, I agree. and I apologized 
for it.

Like I said, I got off on the wrong foot, and I tried to explain my intentions 
over and over but everyone just want to tell me how wrong I am. instead of 
just shutting me up by proving that mysql shouldn't be released, and that kde 
isn't in its 30 day stage yet. Instead, I got told I was a self serving ass 
and so on. 

Again, I have been here a long time.. Most should know me by now as I help in 
gentoo-user all the time.. So i just didn't show up one day throwing my 
weight around.. I should have replaced that last line with I want to help get 
the release in, if possible.

Contrary to popular believe, I want gentoo to succeed. Kde is just as much of 
a problem for me, as it is for you in this issue. It takes time for you to 
send it out, and it takes time for me to get it installed if I want it early. 
I was looking for a solution that could help both of us now, and in the 
future. Thats all.

Jeff 
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