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From: Kent Fredric <kentnl@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New Portage fork: sys-apps/portage-mgorny
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 02:27:11
Message-Id: 20180325152638.53dca26a@katipo2.lan
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] New Portage fork: sys-apps/portage-mgorny by Zac Medico
1 On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:44:49 -0700
2 Zac Medico <zmedico@g.o> wrote:
3
4 > That only happens when dependency satisfaction fails by normal means.
5
6 And when that happens, it is better to bail and go "Uh oh, something bad",
7 not "oh, right, lets install something that will likely make things
8 worse and additional work to fix"
9
10 Its a regular occurrence that we have to tell people about this on #gentoo.
11
12 >
13 > > That default gets people using broken openssl and experimental
14 > > packages blindly without them ever having intended on getting into
15 > > experimental waters.
16 >
17 > If people can't be bothered to understand the meaning of package.mask
18 > and keywords changes, should they really be using Gentoo?
19
20 And its not *entirely* true that this is the case. Toralf used to
21 complain portage couldn't find a resoultion and would try unmasking
22 insane stuff in the process of tinderboxing.
23
24 But lo and behold, by removing the ability to unmask ** and
25 package.mask, he reported a significant improvement in the ability to
26 test.
27
28 "RTFM?" is a terrible response to "you have bad defaults that make
29 things break" because that default is *only* useful to people who would
30 consider using things that have *zero* expectation that they would work.
31
32 And that is not any majority demographic of the Gentoo user base.
33
34 Its not a useless feature, but its a feature that should only be
35 enabled after reading the documentation.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Portage fork: sys-apps/portage-mgorny Zac Medico <zmedico@g.o>