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On 29 August 2012 01:36, Luca Barbato <lu_zero@g.o> wrote: |
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> On 08/28/2012 05:35 PM, Sylvain Alain wrote: |
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>> Hi everyone, I don't want to start a flamewar on that subject, but I would |
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>> like to know if there's any official position about the current situation. |
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> udev might or might not eventually get forked to avoid systemd |
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> borg-approach. |
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> mdev works fine for a number of people and they are working on getting |
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> better support for it even if some guys sometimes try to stomp over them |
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> for silly reasons. |
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> openrc during the summer got new features developed both for prefix |
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> users and for general public hopefully will get merged soon. |
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> The consensus is trying to support what makes sense of systemd and let |
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> people use it if they really want but not force it upon people happy or |
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> needing openrc. |
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> Beside that you have drama since there are strong opinions on how broken |
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> systemd is or how cool it is. |
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>> I saw on the forum this thread : |
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>> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-934678-highlight-.html and maybe it |
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>> could be part of a solution to have OpenRC and udev together. |
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>> So, is there any developments lately ? |
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> Lots =) |
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> lu |
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I think this is a fairly good overview of the current situation. |
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The way I see it: |
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Gentoo defaults to OpenRC and stand-alone udev. This is not going to |
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change any time soon. |
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Because some developers think systemd is a worthwhile alternative, |
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they are making it possible for Gentoo users to switch to using this |
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if they want to. Gentoo is about choice, after all. |
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But there is also strong opposition towards systemd and the "our way |
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or no way" attitude of its core developers, so it is unlikely Gentoo |
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will adopt systemd. It would be too controversial and lead to a rift |
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in the developer community. |
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For now udev is still usable without systemd, even tho upstream is |
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making it difficult to build udev separately (and avoid unnecessary |
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build-time dependencies). Upstream is also unwilling to work with us |
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to make this easier. |
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Despite upstream promises that udev will remain usable stand-alone, |
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there is a lot of skepticism towards that. So we may find ourselves |
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faced with the need to use a fork or a replacement for udev. |
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Right now the situation is in flux, so we are basically waiting to see |
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how things will develop. |
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-- |
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Cheers, |
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Ben | yngwin |
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Gentoo developer |
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Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin |
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