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From: Josh Saddler <nightmorph@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Troubleshooters for Gentoo
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:53:51
Message-Id: 452FA7B7.6040802@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Troubleshooters for Gentoo by Joshua Nichols
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4 Joshua Nichols wrote:
5 > Maurice van der Pot wrote:
6 >> Hi,
7 >>
8 >> I've noticed in the past that a lot of people come to irc with problems
9 >> in some area (say networking) that are easy to solve just by first
10 >> asking a number of questions to identify the problem and then providing
11 >> the solution.
12 >>
13 >> I've always liked the way Microsoft put these troubleshooters in their
14 >> help files. While the content of Microsoft's troubleshooters probably
15 >> never really helped anyone, the format of a troubleshooter is in my
16 >> opinion one of the best ways to help people solve their own problems.
17 >>
18 >> Now I've hacked up a program that can create a troubleshooter from
19 >> specifications of questions and problems and their dependencies, but I'd
20 >> need to have some decent content to really make it useful for other
21 >> people.
22 >>
23 >> I think having a couple of Gentoo-specific troubleshooters would be a
24 >> great resource for new users (not just new to Gentoo, but new to Linux).
25 >>
26 >> I have a couple of questions:
27 >>
28 >> 1) Does this sound like a good idea?
29 >>
30 >> 2) Does anyone feel like pouring his/her troubleshooting skills into
31 >> content for my program?
32 >>
33 >> The program is still very immature (I skipped a lot of things that
34 >> weren't absolutely necessary for the program to show what it can do),
35 >> but that'll be fixed.
36 >>
37 >> When given proper input, it generates HTML files that you can click
38 >> through and that will hopefully lead you to (a solution to) your problem.
39 >> It has some sample content to show the format.
40 >>
41 >> Maurice.
42 >>
43 >>
44 >> http://griffon26.kfk4ever.com/~griffon26/troubleshooter-0.0.2.tar.bz2
45 >> 43f0042c802ad5ddcdf2a4db671c41c8 *troubleshooter-0.0.2.tar.bz2
46 >>
47 >>
48 > If I'm not mistaken, the kbase project was established to help with this
49 > type of information:
50 >
51 > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/kbase/
52 >
53 Well . . . almost. This "troubleshooters" sounds like a distant cousin of what
54 we originally set out to do. We didn't plan just to do troubleshooting -- more
55 like specific quick howtos that didn't necessarily need a whole guide. More "How
56 do I do this (amazingly obscure though it may be)" rather than "how do I fix
57 this problem sequentially" -- though there would obviously be fix-it howtos as
58 well. kbase was supposed to be the gathering place for information that really
59 didn't belong in a guide in /doc/en/ for one reason or another...like collecting
60 all the tips'n'tricks from the DT&T forum.
61
62 At the very least, Troubleshooters is not remotely the format kbase was planning
63 on using, as it wouldn't be effective.
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