Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:50 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Frankly said, neither council nor devrel have any say in suspending
> projects hosted outside of gentoo, be it sunrise, gentopia,
> java-migration, java-experimental, BMG, or whatever else. You just can't
> dictate unpaid people what are they going to do in their free time
> (though some people would probably like to...) - so, please don't move
> this debate off-topic.

They didn't suspend the project working outside Gentoo.  They suspended
it working *inside* Gentoo, which is what prompted the move in the first
place.  I'm not really sure where you think that this makes it
off-topic.

> > Please, cut the bullshit and stop deflecting these arguments as a
> > personal attack, which you *always* seem to do once an argument reaches
> > a point that you have nothing meaningful to say.
>
> So... sunrise has been suspended, moved to it's own domain, moved to
> non-gentoo hardware - and some people still are not satisfied and need
> to find something to annoy the bunch of people working on it. And, as
> there's not much left, they take something really childish and
> ridiculous, such as bugzilla keywords and status whiteboard, and run to
> devrel to ask for an urgent decision? What's this, if not a personal thing?

Perhaps it is a few developers trying to actually enforce the council's
decision and make sure that the 100% unofficial project doesn't *look*
official.  Using "InOverlay" as if Sunrise is some sort of Gentoo
official overlay is a prime example of this.  Let's look at it this way.
If someone from Sunrise were to say "this ebuild is available in our
overlay" in a comment, nobody would really have a problem.  Having
someone with an @gentoo.org address setting "InOverlay" makes it look
like Gentoo is endorsing the overlay.  Remember that when you use your
@gentoo.org address, you're speaking for Gentoo in the user's eyes.
Using "InOverlay" would be the same as someone from BMG (that happened
to be a developer) doing it because it is in the BMG overlay.  It's
simply not accurate.

Now, the java team is an official Gentoo project, unlike Sunrise.  I
don't see how a non-Gentoo project and an official Gentoo project are
similar in this regard, at all, but you're welcome to keep arguing it
that way.  ;]

Of course, I haven't seen any of the bugs in question to see exactly
what it is that they were doing, I'm just making an observation based on
what I've been seeing in this thread.  Really, people... just because
someone has a problem with your *IDEA* doesn't make it an attack on
*YOU*.  It just means they don't like your idea.  Plain and simple...

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
x86 Architecture Team
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux