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Am Freitag, 31. August 2012, 11:03:06 schrieb Andreas K. Huettel: |
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> Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2012, 12:57:25 schrieb Rich Freeman: |
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> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Johannes Huber <johu@g.o> wrote: |
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> > >> scarabeus suggested the change "dev should use latest eapi when |
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> > >> bumping" |
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> > >> to "dev must use latest eapi when bumping if not forbidden by |
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> > >> eclasses". |
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> > >> He was asked to bring it up on the mailing lists, to get a better |
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> > >> definition of when what EAPI should be used. |
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> > > I raised the issue through scarabeus, as in my opinion there is no |
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> > > reason |
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> > > to not use latest EAPI. So please discuss. |
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> > I can't say I'm a big fan of this. This requires forcing changes to |
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> > ebuilds that offer no actual benefit to either the maintainer or the |
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> > end-users (changes that actually have some benefit to either are |
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> > likely to be made anyway). The PM maintainers have chimed in that |
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> > there is no benefit to PM maintenance from this change. |
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> > |
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> > So, I can't really see what the upside of such a policy is. |
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> |
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> <rant> |
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> Let's say, we as in Gentoo decide that we're completely sick of keeping all |
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> that old code out there adjusted to newer and newer gcc versions that are |
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> more and more critical towards minor details of the c++ standards. So, we |
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> declare that gcc-4.5 has to be enough for everyone, we'll just keep it in |
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> tree forever and dont bother anymore with all these superfluous "does not |
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> build with gcc-4.7" bugs. |
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> Well, newer gcc versions might have some very minor marginal advantages, but |
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> they require that we mess with code that has worked for ages. They require |
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> that we actually give some thought on the evolution of the language |
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> semantics or nag upstream, but we can't really be bothered with that |
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> because of limited time. Also, keeping gcc-4.5 will always (trivially) keep |
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> us backward compatibility... much more important than forward |
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> compatibility, should porting to a much never future version ever become |
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> necessary. |
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> For a real world analogy, serious quakes happen only once a century... why |
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> should we even bother with improving building codes? I mean, at some point |
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> in the future things will fall apart anyway. Better dont shake anything in |
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> between. |
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> </rant> |
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> Sorry but I could not really resist... please take it with a grain of salt. |
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> However, seriously, ... |
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> Give me one non-trivial ebuild where you can absolutely guarantee that a |
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> bump from EAPI=0 to EAPI=4 will not enable any improvements (in |
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> readability, failsafe behaviour and code size for example). |
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> Last point, if someday the tree contains ebuilds with 7-8 different EAPI's, |
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> we'll have succeeded in generating an unmaintainable mess (tm). It will not |
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> be any fun to look up things in PMS anew everytime you edit something. (Was |
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> the prayer to Paludis only required in EAPI=7 in src_prepare or in EAPI=8 |
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> in pkg_preinst?) This problem could however also be solved by selectively |
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> phasing out in-between EAPIs (i.e. deprecate EAPIs 1 and 3 asap). |
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Words of wisdom, nothing to add. |
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Greetings. |
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> Cheers, |
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> Andreas |
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Cheers, |
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Johannes Huber (johu) |
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Gentoo Linux Developer / KDE Team |
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